Augustus Juppiter

[vixnix]

You should pity them...these girls' fathers didn't raise them properly so they've gone out looking for love in all the wrong places.

And now Billy's one has a baby. Sooooo bad.

[vixnix]

It's kinda gross that this came out when they were together though

[Spira|_]

Nice to hear belly!
Having a son will improve his music!

I like the name. He can easily be the next marylin mason. And never a justin bieber.

[Ramdust]

"Notorious Weirdo." Eh, I guess it could be worse.

[Ram27]

Originally Posted by DaveKShape

Do you think Kiedis says all that California yabba dabba doo nonsense as he's throwing the D in?

Jesus...I could be getting paid all the money in the world and it wouldn't really be worth it if I had to fuck Kiedis.

[fuzzyroes]

Welcome back Sonic Johnny! I knew you wouldn't be gone long :P

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by vixnix

Wow, I thought I had daddy issues, but look at all of these girls.

Billy wouldn't have looked twice at Chloe in his heyday. It's only because he's not anymore, and he's old and chubby and can't pull anyone else, that he's going for her.

I think a big reason why he went after her is that she's more loaded than he is. We all know Corgan could get all kinds of beautiful, young women but he's the kinda guy who'd be leery all of the time about whether they're after his money or not. Sure, it's a valid concern, but Corgans an extra frugal kind of guy so it probably crosses his mind more than most

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

mic jagger's latest girlfirend, Melanie



Billy' Joe's girlfirend



one of Steven Tyler's girlfriends



anthony kiedis's girlfriend

Keidis is an alhpa-male, rocking the sweet porn-stache

[fuzzyroes]

Now that I think about it, I guess I can see why some people are off-put with Corgan. He always portrays himself as some kind of deep, complex, romantic genius but in reality he's just a big ole horn-dog after some young pussy like the rest of the dumbass rockers of his generation. I see nothing wrong with it, but it certainly contradicts the image he desperately tries to cling onto.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by SOUL PWR

I respect what you're saying, but the judgmentalism is rather preconceived, imo. For people who don't even know me, as you say, to start telling me I have no respect for women or that I'm barely human, just because I said "young pussy" isn't only harsh, it's prejudiced against male sexuality in general. A man can respect women just fine and still talk about "young pussy," particularly in the context I was speaking of it. It's silly that I have to spell this out. You'd think from the negative comments directed at me that I just think women are nothing but flesh to fuck and I'm some sort of sub-human barbarian. Of course that isn't true. My language was simply meant to convey the carnal attraction of which I was speaking, the nature in every man. When talking about sex, guys sometimes use terms to convey the sexuality and impulsive attraction of which they speak. Terms like tits, ass, fuck and pussy. That I have to spell this out for anyone is asinine in the extreme. They hyper-sensitivity, hyper-offendedness is just over the top stupid. If I heard women talking about young cock and balls or something, I wouldn't automatically jump to the conclusion that those women don't respect men. If I did, I'd be some kind of idiot with issues.

Can any of you wide-eyed children out there handle this?

On that note, I feel this song is appropriate. Why, that Rob Zombie, no respect for women!

See, I have no problem with your explanation, but we can't read your mind. I don't know why articulating what you meant is such a big deal and makes me a judgmental idiot. I still think it's gross to use "young pussy" as you have (and you too fuzzy), but when someone challenges what you're saying and you think they're off base, calling them and idiot is not generally a good first course of action. It makes you look like the kind of person who uses "young pussy" and has no respect for women. Whereas explaining yourself could actually lead to a conversation.

For the record I'm not a man but I don't think all men use terms like that or are comfortable with those terms. It's not hyper-sensitivity or hyper-offendedness. I am not personally offended. It just makes you look like a jerk to me. You don't have to give a shit how it makes you look, and maybe I'm the only one that feels that way. I'm not an idiot for telling you it's gross.

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Now that I think about it, I guess I can see why some people are off-put with Corgan. He always portrays himself as some kind of deep, complex, romantic genius but in reality he's just a big ole horn-dog after some young pussy like the rest of the dumbass rockers of his generation. I see nothing wrong with it, but it certainly contradicts the image he desperately tries to cling onto.

why are you calling soul pwr sonic johnny when you just posted almost the exact same thing he did earlier, complete with the phrase "young pussy"

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Welcome back Sonic Johnny! I knew you wouldn't be gone long :P

you think SOUL PWR is sonic johnny? not unless he's purposefully changing his style

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by SOUL PWR

It's highly irritating to have to explain such a simple thing to someone who is going to immediately jump the gun and tell you you have no respect for women. Do you know how men talk? Think? Behave? Do you interact with men outside of this board? Are the men on this board actually men? Valid questions.

Basically, if I had to spell all of that out for you because you were assuming I have no respect for women, then you are in a very defensive place and your perception of reality is pretty binary. Reality usually isn't binary, neither are people.

I was assuming you have a lack of respect for women because you used a degrading, highly-sexualized term. I didn't pull it out of nowhere. You might not think it's degrading because it's just vulgar and talking about sex is vulgar, but to me it is degrading.

Yes I know how men talk, think not as much since I'm not one. Of course I interact with men outside this board. You knew early on that I'm a woman. Why do you expect me to just understand where you're coming from in a conversation like this without explaining it to me? Even if I was a man - it's not binary. I'm attracted to women, even, and would never use that term.

Really my problem is that you assuming explaining yourself is below you and that someone who perceives you as some way you aren't is just pulling it out of nowhere and a defensive idiot. That kind of argument style is bullshit and you know it is. If you don't want to talk about it, don't. Condescend to me and we have a problem.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by SOUL PWR

Basically, if I had to spell all of that out for you because you were assuming I have no respect for women, then you are in a very defensive place and your perception of reality is pretty binary. Reality usually isn't binary, neither are people. I presume you already know that - but you should apply that and not be so quick to accuse people of such things. It would be more acceptable if you just said that you found my language coarse. I could accept and appreciate that, at the very least.

(you edited this after I posted)

Yes I could have said that better. But I think you also could have looked at what you said and see why it is coarse and why others would find it sexist or demeaning or betraying a lack of respect for women. Plenty of people did, not just me. Anyway, it's really not a big deal like I said. I just don't like being condescended to.

[reprise85]

anyway. where's a pic of AJ Corgan?

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by reprise85

you think SOUL PWR is sonic johnny? not unless he's purposefully changing his style

Changing his rhetoric? Guy pretty much types and debates in his exact, unique way

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

why are you calling soul pwr sonic johnny when you just posted almost the exact same thing he did earlier, complete with the phrase "young pussy"

I completely agree with his sentiments in this case, I was simply pointing out that he debates in nearly the exact way that Sonic Johnny would... Coincedence? perhaps, but the timings suspect

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by reprise85

See, I have no problem with your explanation, but we can't read your mind. I don't know why articulating what you meant is such a big deal and makes me a judgmental idiot. I still think it's gross to use "young pussy" as you have (and you too fuzzy), but when someone challenges what you're saying and you think they're off base, calling them and idiot is not generally a good first course of action. It makes you look like the kind of person who uses "young pussy" and has no respect for women. Whereas explaining yourself could actually lead to a conversation.

For the record I'm not a man but I don't think all men use terms like that or are comfortable with those terms. It's not hyper-sensitivity or hyper-offendedness. I am not personally offended. It just makes you look like a jerk to me. You don't have to give a shit how it makes you look, and maybe I'm the only one that feels that way. I'm not an idiot for telling you it's gross.

It's not exactly a term I throw around in everyday conversation, but I don't see the offense of it in this particular context. It's like saying that a woman pushing 50 who goes after guys in their early 20's loves the young cock or something like that. It's not inherently misogynistic

[fuzzyroes]

haha yeah, if yer not he then I welcome you to the board!

[fuzzyroes]

Yeah man, I got where you were coming from. You were simply emphasizing with Corgans state of mind.. Cause lets face it, when someone tries to court a person 30 years his junior, you can assume that the attraction isn't intellectually based

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by SOUL PWR

I think assuming a person has zero respect for women is a pretty condemning stance. Most people have some sort of respect for women, imo. Some more than others. I have respect for women. I was just using language to try and convey the coarseness of our base sexual natures. That's all. I think you see that now, but I encourage you to rein in the judgment a little.

Fair enough. I also did not mean literally that you must have no respect for women. Regardless, that's what I said. I do still think your words are insulting but I can see using base language for a base topic such as having sex with young women as a middle aged man. Words are important, and betray more than just what they literally say.

Originally Posted by SOUL PWR

Yeah, I understand if you had a problem with the coarseness. I can be sensitive to that if I feel inclined. I do appreciate that someone could be sensitive to that. I also do see how someone could think my language was sexist/demeaning/lacking respect for women - but I also think that viewpoint is very presumptuous and over-reactionary, as I said.

Anyway, I think we're on the same page now. *shakes hands*

Yeah, I think we are too. The way I look at sexism is basically... we are all sexist to some extent... however, that is not something to celebrate or go along with willingly. I've become more sensitive lately to gender and disability-based insults, such as bitch and retard. That's not going to be important to some or most people. It's not really about being un-offensive, but about understanding the roots and stereotypes we hold about certain people that are not necessarily based in reality. Anyway, off topic now. Hope you have a good night.

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by SOUL PWR

I have the utmost respect for women. But I am also cognizant of the fact that biology dictates that males are naturally attracted to youthful, fertile women, and will engage in fierce competition to gain access to them. My use of the phrase was only meant to convey this scientific fact, and criticizing that is an offense toward male sexuality everywhere, m'lady. Now, imagine if you will, if the gender roles were reversed? In this hypothetical scenario that almost never happens, would the reaction be as strong? I think not. You cannot criticize me without also criticizing the great Rob Zombie, which proves that your positions are untenable. Checkmate, my dear interlocutors.

Originally Posted by vixnix

Wow, I thought I had daddy issues, but look at all of these girls.

Billy wouldn't have looked twice at Chloe in his heyday. It's only because he's not anymore, and he's old and chubby and can't pull anyone else, that he's going for her. I feel awful saying that but she's not tier 1 hot. And she must be so screwed up. I'm guessing, from the fact that she only shows hints of a smile in photos with her Dad, that she feels her Dad doesn't love her and desperately craves love and attention from Silver Foxes/Bald Eagles to fill the gap.

I, too, can identify emotional issues through a handful of photographs. Most wouldn't know it, not being trained in the art as we are, but this man has given up on life.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

It's not exactly a term I throw around in everyday conversation, but I don't see the offense of it in this particular context. It's like saying that a woman pushing 50 who goes after guys in their early 20's loves the young cock or something like that. It's not inherently misogynistic

I think that situation is just as troubling as the one with Corgan/Airplane mode

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by SOUL PWR

It's highly irritating to have to explain such a simple thing to someone who is going to immediately jump the gun and tell you you have no respect for women. Do you know how men talk? Think? Behave? Do you interact with men outside of this board? Are the men on this board actually men? Valid questions.

Basically, if I had to spell all of that out for you because you were assuming I have no respect for women, then you are in a very defensive place and your perception of reality is pretty binary. Reality usually isn't binary, neither are people. I presume you already know that - but you should apply that and not be so quick to accuse people of such things. It would be more acceptable if you just said that you found my language coarse. I could accept and appreciate that, at the very least.

I basically agree with most of what reprise said so I won't quote everything and repeat shit... but when you come into a situation (any situation but especially with people you aren't familiar with or who aren't familiar with you) and you start saying stuff, the burden is on you to articulate yourself correctly. I really don't understand how you see the burden being on your audience to correctly interpret what you are saying and there's something wrong with them if they don't. Again, it's about relationships and context. Your explanation made perfect sense to me although I still wouldn't have said some of the things you said, the context changes stuff. No one here knows you from anywhere and if you are just throwing yourself around in life with the belief that every stranger should be "smart" enough to interpret your words and actions the way you personally intended them, you are going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, and it isn't because people are too sensitive, it's because you aren't correctly gauging context. I like to talk about how much I hate censoring myself in front of others, but that's life. Not everything is appropriate all the time just because it doesn't bother you, and I'm sure you know that as you probably wouldn't go into work and start with the young pussy talk to your boss or something.

and like reprise said if you had just explained yourself first instead of getting defensive it would have been a different conversation. the way you responded made you look like your were taking even more ownership of the statement and seemed to confirm what everyone was accusing you of.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

It's not exactly a term I throw around in everyday conversation, but I don't see the offense of it in this particular context. It's like saying that a woman pushing 50 who goes after guys in their early 20's loves the young cock or something like that. It's not inherently misogynistic

no, but given the history of human kind I think it's pretty understandable why it's more concerning to people when women are objectified.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by reprise85

I think that situation is just as troubling as the one with Corgan/Airplane mode

No doubt. But everyones fucked up anyways and can't really help what they're attracted to. Both of these people are rich as hell, so they have a huge advantage in parenting opposed to the masses who on paper might have a more "normal" relationship. I'm sure they'll have a team of nannies and give the kid the best education and all of that jazz

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by SOUL PWR

Well, I disagree. I don't feel what I said was overtly "I don't respect women," but I do think it would come off like that to someone who is sensitive to people not respecting women.

I also think everyone has an equal burden to not make assumptions about people, particularly when those assumptions are only based on a few terms put in a certain context.

Accusing someone of not having any respect for women is a pretty sweeping, scathing judgment to make off of a few words, stranger or not. And obviously I have respect for women, or else it wouldn't have offended me. The one who isn't offended by that accusation is the one who really doesn't have respect for women.

But we're rehashing.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that you said you don't respect women. As for what you said about it seeming offensive to people who are sensitive about respect towards women... well yeah, and anyone who doesn't feel a concern for respecting women given 10,000 of patriarchy worries me.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

No doubt. But everyones fucked up anyways and can't really help what they're attracted to. Both of these people are rich as hell, so they have a huge advantage in parenting opposed to the masses who on paper might have a more "normal" relationship. I'm sure they'll have a team of nannies and give the kid the best education and all of that jazz

I have no problem with people being attracted to anyone or anything, really. It's the acting out the attraction that's the problem. Obviously more of a problem in some cases than others.

Also assuming the kid will be fine because he's rich is very optimistic but who knows

[wounded]

WITH ARMS WIDE OPEN!

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by SOUL PWR

Women will always be objectified. So will men. But probably women moreso. Forever.

That objectification isn't done by men alone. Many women objectify themselves, with a purpose.

Objectification of anything, imo, has a negative and positive aspect. So I wouldn't condemn objectification altogether. It has its uses.

Women who objectify themselves are not some kind of vindication of objectification though. Patriarchy means a dominance of men over women, but that doesn't mean it can't teach women to uphold that system. Some of the worst misogynists I have met happen to be female, but that's the insidious nature of systemic oppression. The problem isn't men, just like the problem for black people is not white people. It's the system of supremacy that privileges one of those groups and holds the other down. Supporters are more likely to be of the group that benefits, but it is certainly possible for people to be self-hating and work to injure the standing of their own demographic. I would be curious to hear what you think an example of positive objectification is. I've often thought of objectification as something which is not possible to disconnect ourselves from, but never as something positive. I mean treating someone like an object is rude. It's dehumanizing. In some theoretical vacuum it could just be some sort of rude occurrence that is equally likely to occur both ways between the sexes, but we don't live in that world. We live in a world where the entire history of our species is that of systemic male supremacy over females.