Republicans

[Trotskilicious]

morrissey is like, WAY smarter thanbill is in terms of book learnin but lets face it, moz doesn't wail on an axe

you see where i'm goin with this sonny? apples and battleships if you know what i mean

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

It's not so much about SP's politics as it is that Corgan is like how you mentioned before the closest thing America has produced to Morrissey. There's just that high level of androgyny.

If you're a Republican and you like any of those bands you're just missing the point of them.

But maybe what I mean to say is Punk rather than Rock.

this entire post makes no goddamn sense

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

this entire post makes no goddamn sense

What I mean in the most general sense Is that SP is a band for dudes that are or were girly weirdos. It's not for people who believe in gender roles and who are against homosexuality.

It's the only band from the 90's that my Dad doesn't listen to because it's for wussies.

The idea of a white male Republican being like "Yeah! Smashing Pumpkins!" Is really weird to me.
In fact, he's the only one I've ever talked to. There are libertarians but even they're really in the minority, and they're just more anarchist than anything else.

[Elphenor]

And when I said Rock I didn't mean like Fuzzy type of bands but rather Proto-Punk, Punk, Post-punk, Alternative etc.

I mean, I would expect Republicans to listen to GunsNroses and ACDC and like Metallica and other lame shit

[Elijah Moon]

I was a bit of a loser in love in my teens, but I preferred to see myself as a hopeless romantic. Pumpkins' songs did often reflect my feelings, whether they were beautiful love songs or some undefined angst. I was a bit of an outsider in school, but not really a "misfit". I often befriended those who did get bullied, just because they always seemed like the most interesting people.

I was okay at sports and got fairly good grades, but I spent a lot of time daydreaming and writing grandiose poetry. Later I wore mascara, eye shadow and painted nails, but it wasn't a conscious effort to emulate my favourite bands or anything, I just felt like it. Wearing make-up in a small town did get me singled out on occasion, and a couple of times homophobes threatened to kick my ass, but hey. So, yeah, stuff like SP appealed to me, but then I also loved hip-hop (including some 'gangsta rap') so I guess I was confused (or just eclectic).

[Elphenor]

When I was in high school I was just mega obsessed with the Pumpkins because it was the only post-punkish music I got exposed to. Well that and Marilyn Manson but I didn't really dig the metal part of It. Though it's how I met my only couple of friends. Dude was wearing a MM shirt and I was like "Hey MM"
Friends for life

[Elphenor]

I think Punk and all things related is a safe haven for liberals and "weirdos" to get together, take shelter from, and make fun of conservatives, religion, and our fascist society.

So yes, I absolutely do want to shut out conservatives. But I mean I don't actually care if they listen or not, it doesn't affect me

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Poots

??? what is your definition of "post-punk"?

It's a pretty broad genre. But I was particularly referring to like The Cure's influence on The Pumpkins.

And 80's Goth influence is pretty obvious in Manson's music like, you know, Bauhaus

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Poots

well, what is post-punk then?

I said "Punk and all things related"

Post-punk is a descendant of punk as is "Alternative" Rock

[null123]

I'm getting to the point where I just wanna listen to Mariah Carey anyway

[null123]

Also Morrissey isn't androgynous at all. The word you're looking for is "gay"

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Belteshazzar

I think the root is really just rebellion against whatever is perceived as the status quo. In a lot of areas, being conservative/libertarian is now the rebellious thing to be. Liberalism has embraced a PC mindset, and punk is anything but PC. I think all political thought can be expressed through musical styles of any kind. If you wanna be liberal punk, go ahead. But that's not gonna stop someone else who disagrees with you from expressing themselves through the same medium.

Lol "Liberal Punk". That's not how it works. Punk implies liberal at the very least socially. It's like the whole point of the genre. There were stupid white conservatives masquerading as punks ruining shit for people.

[Elphenor]

Disclaimer I'm an idealistic 20 year old who still believes in shit

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

Also Morrissey isn't androgynous at all. The word you're looking for is "gay"

Well sure, but as an image he chose to purposely not comment on his sexuality and to claim to be celibate because the point was androgyny

[Elphenor]

But like seriously, there's plenty of Christian Rock to go listen to. How about some Creed

[null123]

I'm gonna listen to the Fall and think about Jesus

[null123]

Hmph!

[Elphenor]

Is Billy really Christian or just fucking crazy? Both? Every time he talks about it, it's just in this wishy washy weirdness. Like recently he said he was agnostic or something I don't even know. I don't think he actually knows what he believes either.

But that's not even my point. It's not my intention to say that Christians can't Rock. Just not the type of Christians who think their God doesn't want gays to get married

[null123]

Billy calls himself a pagan and has acknowledged he's not a Christian

[Elphenor]

Yeah he's kind of just dumb despite what my 13 year old self thought

[Elphenor]

I liked when he had the mentality of like "I don't really have the authority to say anything about politics I'm just a guitar player"

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

Billy calls himself a pagan and has acknowledged he's not a Christian

Well Corgan is always babbling on about Jesus and has said before that he goes to church.

As far as rockstars go it makes total sense that Billy would attract all sorts of religious folk.

[null123]

Everybody knows he's a batshit libertarian

[Elijah Moon]

He always assumed the voice he heard was the voice of God.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by glitterlips

I didn't say, you did.
All I can say is, he's says a lot of shit, just like a tr00 phorian, he's a dude with a guitar that has or had a band, tea shop owner for hipsters & ass kissers, wrestling geek writer, soon to be Muslim dick-tator, and a whole bunch of other shit....stupid? Nah, but he can kiss my candied white ass. Sorry it's not sugar free Billy. I am not gonna cater to you good sir.

Ive read this nine times still cant figure out what it says

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

What I mean in the most general sense Is that SP is a band for dudes that are or were girly weirdos. It's not for people who believe in gender roles and who are against homosexuality.

It's the only band from the 90's that my Dad doesn't listen to because it's for wussies.

The idea of a white male Republican being like "Yeah! Smashing Pumpkins!" Is really weird to me.
In fact, he's the only one I've ever talked to. There are libertarians but even they're really in the minority, and they're just more anarchist than anything else.

again, this post makes no goddamn sense

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

When I was in high school I was just mega obsessed with the Pumpkins because it was the only post-punkish music I got exposed to. Well that and Marilyn Manson but I didn't really dig the metal part of It. Though it's how I met my only couple of friends. Dude was wearing a MM shirt and I was like "Hey MM"
Friends for life

post punk was 35 years ago

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by glitterlips

So, where is the post alternative rock?

It's Nickelback, kings of leon, Coldplay ETC

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

post punk was 35 years ago

Yes but I like it a lot, and I like the things that have its influence

[Elphenor]

Like Arctic Monkeys are a post-punk band. Franz Ferdinand is a post-punk band