Every time some atheist prick tries to disprove the existence of god with

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

you can have a god that is not omnipotent. All the Greek and Roman gods for instance.

wow what a great point scotty but those gods weren't defined as the omnipotent, omnipresent judeo-christian god though

[D.]

Originally Posted by Order 66

i find atheism annoying. why not just be agnostic

i'm agnostic but i'm not preachy about it. whenever i get approached or given a church tract or something i just quietly say "no thanks; i'm not a believer, but i appreciate the thought."

[Elphenor]

If you're going to make the argument that atheists are attributing a human morality to God, then you can't give any human qualities to God either. The argument of "whence commeth evil" is usually directed specifically at gods like the judeo-Christian god who are said to be very human like in their morality.

I would say it's my personal belief there is no god of any sort, but I'm agnostic about that belief as obviously there's no way to actually know.

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

I would say it's my personal belief there is no god of any sort, but I'm agnostic about that belief as obviously there's no way to actually know.

the atheist/agnostic distinction is absolute horeshit. you can't prove that the 3000+ deities worshiped by humans aren't real so you're agnostic. well religious people can't prove shit, either, so they're agnostic too. EVERYONE'S AGNOSTIC.

grow some balls.

[Trotskilicious]

i'm an athiest because it makes total sense. spaghetti monsters, invisible pink unicorns, etc. I know that stuff is disrespectful and offensive but it's pretty on the money...agnostic to me is synonymous with "i don't want to pick a side" like "undecided voter" or "total wanker"

i don't act like a total asshole about people who have faith unless they are terrible racist homophobic misogynistic pieces of shit...and that has more to do with their shitty beliefs being grafted onto "infallible" religion

[null123]

It's not really disrespectful or offensive so much as embarrassing and retarded

[noyen]

i'm agnostic because atheists like richard dawkins and even neil tyson step on this high and mighty soapbox which is really just political agenda and not much to do with science or being a decent human. being sure there is no god i think opens up the realm of it being totally okay to be a mass murderer, because you were born that way and morality seems to be less and less of an issue with dickbacks like dawkins who go around saying women deserved to be raped and to stop whining about things because it could be worse. i think it's more intelligent to say "i don't know shit". not knowing shit can also ******* not believing in god or the possibility of there being a god, because the idea seems pretty silly and is.

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Mooney

the atheist/agnostic distinction is absolute horeshit. you can't prove that the 3000+ deities worshiped by humans aren't real so you're agnostic. well religious people can't prove shit, either, so they're agnostic too. EVERYONE'S AGNOSTIC.

grow some balls.

I feel like "agnostic" isn't a position but just a declaration of how certain you are about a position. The actual position is atheism.
And there are theists that claim to KNOW there is a God based on some sort of divine experience. And then there are atheists who claim to know there is no god based on being stupid. So the distinction is kinda necessary.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

It's not really disrespectful or offensive so much as embarrassing and retarded

it's definitely not, it's just easy ways to explain why an invisible skyman is ludicrous

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by noyen

i'm agnostic because atheists like richard dawkins and even neil tyson step on this high and mighty soapbox which is really just political agenda and not much to do with science or being a decent human. being sure there is no god i think opens up the realm of it being totally okay to be a mass murderer, because you were born that way and morality seems to be less and less of an issue with dickbacks like dawkins who go around saying women deserved to be raped and to stop whining about things because it could be worse. i think it's more intelligent to say "i don't know shit". not knowing shit can also ******* not believing in god or the possibility of there being a god, because the idea seems pretty silly and is.

if gods you don't believe in didn't exist it would be okay for you to be an axe murderer? the claim that all morality comes from religion is absolutely backwards. and if you acknowledge that you don't feel any existing religion is real, then you realize that all morality conveyed in those religions comes from basic inherent human values. as far as i'm concerned doing something only out of fear of punishment and eternal hellfire isn't moral at all. there's a famous quote that goes something like "morality is doing right regardless what you're told. religion is doing what you're told, regardless what is right."

[Elphenor]

I always identify as an atheist if asked but then the immediate response is "Oh so you know there is no God? Whoa, didn't know I was in the presence of someone who knows everything why don't you tell us what happened before the big bang whooaaa"

[Trotskilicious]

i think religion is definitely a vehicle for cultural appreciation of values

right now secular society doesn't seem to have much of a moral compass and anything goes no matter how damaging it is to society

but i can never believe in grandfather skyman with the lightning bolts and resurrected sons and whatever

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

I always identify as an atheist if asked but then the immediate response is "Oh so you know there is no God? Whoa, didn't know I was in the presence of someone who knows everything why don't you tell us what happened before the big bang whooaaa"

the burden of proof is always on the person making the assertions. i.e. flying spaghetti monster. you don't have to come up with some wishy washy term for yourself just because you can't disprove every horseshit claim.

[Elphenor]

You can't really know with a 100% certainty that FSM doesn't exist technically.

You can't prove a negative

[null123]

hoo boy

[Trotskilicious]

but you know

[Mooney]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

You can't really know with a 100% certainty that FSM doesn't exist technically.

You can't prove a negative

that's my point. its bad enough that its necessary to even have to identify as atheist. but the fact that you feel you have to add an extra qualifier is retarded. especially when you acknowledge this qualifier makes it impossible to just be an atheist.

[noyen]

Originally Posted by Mooney

if gods you don't believe in didn't exist it would be okay for you to be an axe murderer? the claim that all morality comes from religion is absolutely backwards. and if you acknowledge that you don't feel any existing religion is real, then you realize that all morality conveyed in those religions comes from basic inherent human values. as far as i'm concerned doing something only out of fear of punishment and eternal hellfire isn't moral at all. there's a famous quote that goes something like "morality is doing right regardless what you're told. religion is doing what you're told, regardless what is right."

I didn't say what you're saying. I am saying if you are someone who is sure there is no god and is absolute sure in everything that person feels then there is no question of what morality is or isn't. I think the belief that one is right about whatever one thinks is dangerous. You can be an atheist and believe in laws and have morals that have nothing to do with an existence of god. I'm saying I do not agree with athiest spokespeople like Dawkins who say some pretty far out shit that is reprehensible. Our government and laws are wholey based on religious beliefs. In America at least. Sure have freedom of religion but all this shit is based on god. So whether you believe in god or not, you are following bible doctrine if your moral compass is in line with biblical teachings. So don't go all screaming at me with famous quotes because that guy who wrote it probably had the freedom to write it because of a bunch of bible thumpers who killed in the name of god and declared what is moral and just and true and equal all from religious based beliefs. If there is no god, then why do you need to follow any rule? Does the animal kingdom rule itself in a theistic manner? The only repurcuaaions of their actions are ones of chaos and food chain order. If you take that same method of living then it is definitely more than okay to be an axe murderer and rob and steal because why is that wrong? Its science. Its survival. There really isn't a way to talk me into believing that an athiest who lived in an entire world of athiests and there was no religion and never was that these advanced thinkers would decide to collectively say "well, let's save some people.. And let's punish some things.." why would they do such an absurd thing. I don't think atheists can exist the way your quote goes without an opposite.

[Trotskilicious]

dawkins sucks

[Elphenor]

Not really when someone says you can't KNOW something doesn't exist they're technically right.
When you make the assertion that God does not exist then you do put the burden of proof on yourself and so you have to admit it's a belief.

[Trotskilicious]

science backs up the evolutionary, survival necessity of religion

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

Not really when someone says you can't KNOW something doesn't exist they're technically right.
When you make the assertion that God does not exist then you do put the burden of proof on yourself and so you have to admit it's a belief.

no, it's not. this is super fucking easy. if there's an empty room someone can say "there's an invisible table in here, prove to me it's not."

[noyen]

This is why Joseph Campbell was amazing.

[Trotskilicious]

so you perform all sorts of experiments and obervations and using equipment, taking air samples on and on, and you can find no evidence of this invisible table whatsoever and when you take it to the guy who SWEARS there's a table in there he says "Definitely a table in there, I believe it. Prove to me it's not there." But there's absolutely nothing to base that on, at all, except faith. There's no belief in observing reality and deriving that, because there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever of the invisible table, it's not there. there's no belief involved.

if you're going to tell me that saying "there is no invisible table in this room" is belief, then you probably believe in ghosts also

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

no, it's not. this is super fucking easy. if there's an empty room someone can say "there's an invisible table in here, prove to me it's not."

You technically have to be agnostic about the table yes.

But really it's like who fucking cares

[Trotskilicious]

no you don't have to be agnostic about the fucking table

[Bread Regal]

vegans should really just be called vegatarians because they're the ones who actually sustain themselves solely on vegetation. the name was hijacked when a bunch of posers wanted to eat eggs, milk, honey and still call themselves vegetarians. thus a new name was created.

the same thing has happened to atheist. the name on its own just means lack of a belief. and because we don't believe in anything, we don't have any traditions or customs surrounding such a belief. we don't get together for ceremonies and pat ourselves on the back for being non-believers because that's a massive waste of time. but richard dawkins loves ceremonies like that. he loves insulting people directly to their faces for their beliefs. he and the fedoras have become the face of atheism.

so i understand why some would be reluctant to identify as one of them. yes, even though they call themselves agnostic, the real word for what they are is "atheist", but unfortunately has been hijacked by richard dawkins who should die of blood loss due to dick trauma.

[noyen]

We can prove god does not exist but we can't prove something else does. This is why agnostic fills the gap for me. Scientific theories are constantly proved wrong using their own methods of logic. All these building blocks start to crumble and someone has to say "shit I really don't know why, its entirely possible there is a reason we can never understand or explain." is that when atheists come in and murder everyone who did all this work and burn everything and kill everyone and leave nothing behind and start over as a pure clean society based on the belief they proved there is no god by not getting struck down after asking god to show himself or the gerbils are gonna get it?

[Elphenor]

You can't know with 100% certainty that the table does not exist. Same with unicorns and FSM and the celestial teapot and God

I agree it's stupid and probably there is no table, but you don't KNOW

[Trotskilicious]

i believe the human race is a math equation that never even really ends