Libertarians - Page 6

Trotskilicious · 08-31-2014, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Poots

"I'm awake and posting on this shit at 5 in the morning, why isn't he? Fucking won't respond to my... mmmph crunch crunch crunch... fucking... crunch crunch... posts" *sneezes from Cheeto dust

shut the fuck up already you butthurt assclown

Trotskilicious · 08-31-2014, 08:13 PM

examine the reason you're mad at me "does not agree with me, destroys my arguments"

get real
no way

jczeroman · 08-31-2014, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

Did you move back?? When did that happen?

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

And wait. You think the US corporate tax rate and the taxes in wealthy people are oppressive still?

I moved to Virginia last July. We're almost certainly bound to be back in Europe somewhere though. My job prospects are better over there.

No, I don't think the tax rate is 'oppressive' but some people (and, and we're talking the facebook guy that renounced his citizenship, Tina Turner and maybe a couple others) found themselves sufficiently 'oppressed' that they figured they'd be better off leaving for good.

Elphenor · 08-31-2014, 08:34 PM

Why did you say they were "probably" oppressed?

Trotskilicious · 08-31-2014, 08:34 PM

Trotskilicious · 08-31-2014, 08:35 PM

we do this shit in broad daylight

that's a whole 'nother degree of homicide

jczeroman · 08-31-2014, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Elphenor

Why did you say they were "probably" oppressed?

I couldn't find what I said with a CTRL-F, so what I probably meant was that this is all situational and relative. Some rich people are probably fine playing more taxes, some may be in a more precarious position. So a 35% tax rate (or whatever a rich person pays in the US) is probably oppressive for some and not for others.

Elphenor · 08-31-2014, 08:47 PM

Trotskilicious · 08-31-2014, 08:49 PM

i think obama is doing a good job

Elphenor · 08-31-2014, 08:53 PM

Not sure what you mean by "precarious position". There are no wealthy people being taxed into bankruptcy.

The question I'm asking is do YOU think it's oppressive. You said "probably" a few posts up.

Elphenor · 08-31-2014, 09:04 PM

I mean, what kind of egotistical bullshit is it to leave the country that made you wealthy because you don't want to pay it forward.

jczeroman · 08-31-2014, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Elphenor

Not sure what you mean by "precarious position". There are no wealthy people being taxed into bankruptcy.

That is not exactly true.

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Originally Posted by Elphenor

The question I'm asking is do YOU think it's oppressive. You said "probably" a few posts up.

Anything short of this:

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Originally Posted by Elphenor

...a society with no private property and no gov where all humans learn to co-exist and share the Earth and take care of each other voluntarily putting the whole before the individual when necessary and never being violent or greedy or selfish....

is probably going to be some sort of oppression. So yea, any time you have your land, or money or whatever taken from you (by a government or whomever) that is a form of oppression.

Elphenor · 08-31-2014, 10:36 PM

At least in The States that doesn't happen. Like ever.
I can't speak for every country of course.

I don't view taxation as oppression as long as the people who levy taxes are democratically elected.
It's people collectively deciding how resources should be distributed.
The oppression comes in the form of allowing the few to control the resources that rightfully belong to the many.

The government is the way in which we demand things from the elites and I think libertarians let the elites of way easy when they start thinking of things like taxes as oppression

Elphenor · 08-31-2014, 11:08 PM

This is fun for me. idk

I like to argue about politics.

Elphenor · 09-01-2014, 02:19 AM

Trotskilicious · 09-01-2014, 02:50 AM

super cool avatar, makes you kind of scared of how edgy he is

D. · 09-01-2014, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Poots

Those glasses, Kevin. I'm paying forward... a boner.

straight up, the man is a fucking god

Eulogy · 09-01-2014, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jczeroman

That is not exactly true.

.

Burden's on you here. Find me an example.

jczeroman · 09-01-2014, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

Burden's on you here. Find me an example.

I'm not going to go find an example of a wealthy person being taxed into bankruptcy. I'm sure it happens at least occasionally and I don't feel the need to do a google search to prove it to myself or anyone on this board.

jczeroman · 09-01-2014, 01:05 PM

By the way - and I have no where else to post this so I am posing it here - I got trolled the other day by a libertarian because I was quoted in an article saying that the current monetary system works 'reasonably fine.' Some guy looked me up and wrote a four page email about monetary collapses and paper money. The article wasn't even about the modern monetary system, but he had an hour or whatever to write me a long email about this offhand comment.

I just don't care enough anymore to debate this crap with people. It's pointless. Yes, I agree with him that there are problems with the monetary system. What I meant by the quotation was that we can all go out and buy bread anywhere with dollars at fairly stable prices... I don't know why that was so hard.

Elphenor · 09-01-2014, 04:34 PM

If you understand how taxes work the idea of a wealthy person being taxed into bankruptcy seems pretty much impossible.
It's not something you should just assume to be true

Eulogy · 09-02-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jczeroman

I'm not going to go find an example of a wealthy person being taxed into bankruptcy. I'm sure it happens at least occasionally and I don't feel the need to do a google search to prove it to myself or anyone on this board.

Your position is that wealthy people are forced to declare bankruptcy because of tax rates in the United States, and you shouldn't have to have any data or even a single anecdote to back that up?

I'm not asking for a position paper here man.

Order 66 · 09-02-2014, 01:47 PM

classic poli board logic

IT'S TRUE COZ I SAYS SO

Trotskilicious · 09-02-2014, 06:04 PM

I mean obviously it fappened to one guy qed i win

/me closes book

jczeroman · 09-02-2014, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

Your position is that wealthy people are forced to declare bankruptcy because of tax rates in the United States, and you shouldn't have to have any data or even a single anecdote to back that up?

I'm not asking for a position paper here man.

Why should I care about this?

Elphenor · 09-02-2014, 08:54 PM

You made a weird statement and then didn't back it up

Eulogy · 09-02-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jczeroman

Why should I care about this?

Uhhhh ok

jczeroman · 09-02-2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elphenor

You made a weird statement and then didn't back it up

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Originally Posted by jczeroman

Why should I care about this?

Eulogy · 09-02-2014, 09:38 PM

Then why post in the thread and make claims you can't back up in the first place

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08-31-2014, 04:13 PM	#151
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139

08-31-2014, 08:13 PM	#153
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	examine the reason you're mad at me "does not agree with me, destroys my arguments" get real no way

08-31-2014, 08:34 PM	#155
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	Why did you say they were "probably" oppressed?

08-31-2014, 08:34 PM	#156
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602

08-31-2014, 08:35 PM	#157
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	we do this shit in broad daylight that's a whole 'nother degree of homicide

08-31-2014, 08:47 PM	#159
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	.

08-31-2014, 08:49 PM	#160
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	i think obama is doing a good job

08-31-2014, 08:53 PM	#161
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	Not sure what you mean by "precarious position". There are no wealthy people being taxed into bankruptcy. The question I'm asking is do YOU think it's oppressive. You said "probably" a few posts up.

08-31-2014, 09:04 PM	#162
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	I mean, what kind of egotistical bullshit is it to leave the country that made you wealthy because you don't want to pay it forward.

08-31-2014, 10:36 PM	#164
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	At least in The States that doesn't happen. Like ever. I can't speak for every country of course. I don't view taxation as oppression as long as the people who levy taxes are democratically elected. It's people collectively deciding how resources should be distributed. The oppression comes in the form of allowing the few to control the resources that rightfully belong to the many. The government is the way in which we demand things from the elites and I think libertarians let the elites of way easy when they start thinking of things like taxes as oppression

08-31-2014, 11:08 PM	#165
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	This is fun for me. idk I like to argue about politics.

09-01-2014, 02:19 AM	#166
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139

09-01-2014, 02:50 AM	#167
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	super cool avatar, makes you kind of scared of how edgy he is

09-01-2014, 01:05 PM	#171
jczeroman Socialphobic Location: In my house. Posts: 14,465	By the way - and I have no where else to post this so I am posing it here - I got trolled the other day by a libertarian because I was quoted in an article saying that the current monetary system works 'reasonably fine.' Some guy looked me up and wrote a four page email about monetary collapses and paper money. The article wasn't even about the modern monetary system, but he had an hour or whatever to write me a long email about this offhand comment. I just don't care enough anymore to debate this crap with people. It's pointless. Yes, I agree with him that there are problems with the monetary system. What I meant by the quotation was that we can all go out and buy bread anywhere with dollars at fairly stable prices... I don't know why that was so hard.

09-01-2014, 04:34 PM	#172
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	If you understand how taxes work the idea of a wealthy person being taxed into bankruptcy seems pretty much impossible. It's not something you should just assume to be true

09-02-2014, 01:47 PM	#174
Order 66 Socialphobic Posts: 11,883	classic poli board logic IT'S TRUE COZ I SAYS SO

09-02-2014, 06:04 PM	#175
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	I mean obviously it fappened to one guy qed i win /me closes book

09-02-2014, 08:54 PM	#177
Elphenor Braindead Location: Shivers Posts: 16,139	You made a weird statement and then didn't back it up

09-02-2014, 09:38 PM	#180
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,378	Then why post in the thread and make claims you can't back up in the first place