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Old 07-10-2014, 04:33 PM   #181
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I've got the cassette, but not a rip. Is the cassette really not on what.cd? It seems they have everything.
Only the digital web release.

 
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Old 07-11-2014, 03:12 PM   #182
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I'd love an all-inclusive torrent like this. There are a number of things I'm still missing from my collection.

 
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Old 07-12-2014, 05:00 AM   #183
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Just a heads up for those who are curious. I'm about a week away from moving everything back into my office so figure I'm about two weeks away from starting to dig through stuff.

I actually found the the giant CD binder the other night and was tempted to get out the show Slunklen wants but it's just best if I wait until I have everything in place. Plus this still leave me ample time to get everyones hopes up and pull a good ole Pmac style disappearance

 
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Old 07-13-2014, 08:41 PM   #184
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What I'm thinking I'll end up doing is I'll just dump everything I have that is still readable on to my server, then I'll let one or two people in to grab whatever they want that's not in circulation. I'll leave this up for a few weeks or until I need the hard drive for something.

I have plenty of upload speed.

I'm also willing to just do a massive upload onto a ftp somewhere. Again transfers speeds are not an issue for me.

happy to help with sorting this out if anyone wants. my interest is more in live stuff as opposed to demos, however

 
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Old 07-14-2014, 11:22 AM   #185
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happy to help with sorting this out if anyone wants. my interest is more in live stuff as opposed to demos, however
I have hardly any live TSP. Dirty little secret, I always thought TSP was a horribly boring live band.

I have or I should had literally everything circulated for Zwan though.

 
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Old 07-14-2014, 03:30 PM   #186
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I have hardly any live TSP. Dirty little secret, I always thought TSP was a horribly boring live band.

I have or I should had literally everything circulated for Zwan though.
I would be very interested in the live Zwan material you have...theres a whole lot of stuff that's fallen out of circulation in the past ten years.

if you still have a trade list of some kind i'd be happy to look through it and save you from uploading redundant recordings...

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Old 07-14-2014, 03:41 PM   #187
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like I said I had literally everything. I even had stuff that never went into circulation. People started getting into the bad of habit of thinking it was a race to get stuff up on the hub so towards the end of my time there I was checking stuff for errors before it could get spread. There was way to much stuff people were throwing out there that was full of fuck ups.

This was another thing that in a tiny way contributed to me throwing in the towel. People bitching up a storm if a show wasn't available within 48 hours and tapers trying to prove something by being the first one to get stuff online.

And after all of that work and needless drama all of the stuff just fell out of circulation anyway.

 
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Old 07-14-2014, 03:55 PM   #188
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like I said I had literally everything. I even had stuff that never went into circulation. People started getting into the bad of habit of thinking it was a race to get stuff up on the hub so towards the end of my time there I was checking stuff for errors before it could get spread. There was way to much stuff people were throwing out there that was full of fuck ups.
I can definitely emphasize with this as a taper, makes me glad I don't tape too many major artists. the threads on dime turn into a shark tank / pissing contests...

 
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Old 07-15-2014, 03:44 PM   #189
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Looking forward to this rider.

 
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Old 07-15-2014, 08:18 PM   #190
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Was this (Crying Tree of Mercury piano version) ever made available in lossless?

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...7&postcount=17

 
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:30 AM   #191
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Was this (Crying Tree of Mercury piano version) ever made available in lossless?

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...7&postcount=17
no, it originated from the BC myspace in late 06 or early 07, iirc it is a direct rip and not a transcode though

 
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Old 07-16-2014, 05:07 AM   #192
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no, it originated from the BC myspace in late 06 or early 07, iirc it is a direct rip and not a transcode though
What else do we have from the BC MySpace?

There's HMM Alt. Mix.

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Old 07-16-2014, 10:54 AM   #193
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What else do we have from the BC MySpace?

There's HMM Alt. Mix.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/q0039v
Lonesome Day Blues from 2002/10/21 Hideout

just these three tracks, I think

 
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:43 AM   #194
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Lonesome Day Blues from 2002/10/21 Hideout

just these three tracks, I think
Thanks for the info.


So although we don't have the lineage we want on all the content at the moment, let's proceed with what we do have.

Next issue is, how do we want things tagged for these releases?

Track number and artist are straight forward. Do we want song titles tagged as they are on the source?

 
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:44 AM   #195
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So office is done and I'm in the process of moving stuff back in right now. I have two days of DVD ripping and encoding ahead of me then I should be able to start digging through disks I haven't touched in 10-12 years. Fuck I'm old.

 
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Old 07-24-2014, 03:58 PM   #196
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just hurry up with this shit. i'm giving you 48 hours.
see then this asshole shows up.

 
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Old 07-24-2014, 04:17 PM   #197
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Yeah guess what project on hold for probably the rest of forever.

http://forums.netphoria.org/showthre...=1#post4079459

I have a mountain of other shit I need to do for myself. Really I get nothing out of doing this stuff, nothing.

 
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Old 07-25-2014, 02:15 AM   #198
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Old 07-25-2014, 03:43 AM   #199
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like Rider, i have a shit ton of cds from years of trading, do any of you know if there are programs that will tell me in a cd i have was made from mp3 recordings? i remember a few but cant remember any names of them. I think one told you something like dynamic range to give you an idea, or am i way off?

 
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you can check if audio if lossy using frequency analysis and spectral analysis.
http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/...ead.php?t=4288
http://blowfish.be/eac/Spectral/spectral.html

i'm afraid your shit ton of cds won't be of much interest though. unless you've got some things that can't be found anywhere else.
it's just that sources without the extra cd-r in the lineage will be preferred, as well as sources with a known source and lineage. considering how you're not even sure if a cd is mp3 sourced for some of your cds, i can imagine source and lineage are a question mark too.

check out these posts/threads - maybe you have some of these:
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=181134
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=179805
http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...&postcount=431

 
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Old 07-25-2014, 06:43 AM   #201
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most of my cd-r's from trading days have lineage printed out and attached to each of the cd cases, and all of my shn/flac files from traders den and Zomb, or the good old pumpkind directconnect++ server still have md5 checks and txt files, i even think i have a BOOTLIST i had in Excel, lol which had audio info. i was just in the the process of getting rid of any crappy shows i have, and comparing them to whats on the archive and what not, as some of the discs were from the days of sprc.org or whatever that old site was with heaps of shit on it.

i just thought with sites that offer free online storage, it might be an idea to get the best quality demos up there, to have people from resorting to mp3's., not a massive task, i dont think there are many demo tapes.

just food for thought.... mmm food.

 
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Old 07-25-2014, 07:35 AM   #202
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all right then.
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i just thought with sites that offer free online storage, it might be an idea to get the best quality demos up there, to have people from resorting to mp3's., not a massive task, i dont think there are many demo tapes.

just food for thought.... mmm food.
did you actually read this thread?

 
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Old 07-25-2014, 10:11 AM   #203
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i just thought with sites that offer free online storage, it might be an idea to get the best quality demos up there, to have people from resorting to mp3's., not a massive task, i dont think there are many demo tapes.

just food for thought.... mmm food.
This is what this whole thread is about... Here is a current status update, if you have anything to contribute please do. Note that there are many demo tapes.

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Update. Bold means I have the best circulating source, bold and italics means someone else in this thread has it.

Pumpkins list:
Adore Demos II: Leaked on Netphoria in 2007 as WAVs/FLACs
Quiet And Other Songs: Leaked on Netphoria in 2007 as WAVs/FLACs
Adore Demos I: CD-R on Ebay in 2000, bought and treed via CD-Rs
Gravity Demos: Given out by Billy in 2000, then treed by 34 as part of Triple Tree
Friends and Enemies of Modern Music: Given out by Billy in 2000, then treed by 34 as part of Triple Tree
Machina Acoustic Demos: Billy 4 or 8-track master ---> analogM (billy) ---> CDR master (billy) given to Eric Weinrich -> whoever released it
Mashed Potatoes: < 10 CDs distributed by Billy. Eventually uploaded to the Hub in full as SHN; inferior partial copy from ANA circulates, owned by Simon Coyle
MCIS Demos I: RTS tree; (Billy's Home Demos bootleg is supposedly an inferior copy) Does this exist outside Billy's home demos?
MCIS Demos II: Appeared on Ebay in 2000, circulates as ANA-L > DAT0 > CDR-0 > SHN
MCIS Demos III: ANA > DAT > CD-R (inferior version was part of RTS tree) This was on RTS tree
Pisces Iscariot + Friends: ANA > SHN??
Reel Time Sessions: STU>DDC-1>SHN
Sequence IV: Courtney Love ANA > Onaric ANA? > John Mulhausen (applied NR) > CD-R / SHN
Courtney Love ANA > Onaric ANA? > Dave Asselin DAT (uncirculated)
Machina Premaster: Leaked on Netphoria in 2007
Virgin B-Sides Promo Tape: ANA cassette from Ebay, owned by bmaromar, distributed by rhinowing in 2009
MCIS Rough Mixes: ANA cassette from Ebay, owned by bmaromar, distributed by rhinowing
666 Tape: PRO > VID-2 > CD-R
Nothing Ever Changes: Ana-L>CDR-M>Cool-Edit>CDR-M (Asselin)>CDR-2>SHN Unknown lineage copy with much better frequency response
Gish Basement Tape: On Pisces Iscariot reissue. Also on Pumpkin Seeds bootleg, did this circulate in any other form? Do we have a copy direct from the ANA?
3 Songs O' Rarities: VID>SHN Psycho tape rip
Gish Rough Mix: ANAM (studio)>ana (cassette)>DAT>DC1>CDR
Sacred + Profane SBD Compilation: Triple tree , in need of copy with good lineage
TSP/Moon Demo: Best version is an ANA cassette from Ebay, owned by bmaromar, distributed by rhinowing in 2009
TSP Officially Released Demo Tape Rip: Released ANA tape rip
Moon Officially Released Demo Tape Rip: Released ANA tape rip - I have the one on What, is this the best?
Drown 8-Track Demo: SPRC
Drown Demo Tape: (is this the best source? ignoring SPRC) promo cassette>ANAx>CDRx>remaster>CDR2>WAV>FLAC
Ignoffo Tape: STU>ANA-2>DATM
Pistachio Medley MP3(s?): ???>MP3 - that In the Arms of Sheep MP3

666 Tape Vid: MTV Employee > Don Dowdy VHS(-0/1 presumably) > DVD
Psycho Tape / AKA 25 Songs O' Pumpkins Vid: 2 disc version
Fruit Bat Salad Vol. 1 Vid: AUD VHS(3)>Standalone DVD>DVDr(3)
Fruit Bat Salad Vol. 2 Vid: AUD VHS(3)>Unknown>DVDr(3)

Zwan list:
Premasters: Leaked, and then shared en mass via FTP on netphoria
Rough mixes: Leaked, and then shared en mass via FTP on netphoria
SPUN OST: M4A and terrible FLAC rip

Billy Corgan list:
TheFutureEmbrace Premaster???: CD>MP3 Dubious, do we want to incIude this?

The Marked list:
The Marked Demo Recordings Mar 85 - Jan 87: ???
The Marked Aug '86: uncertain lineage (possibly ANA-2 > CDR-?)
The Marked Sept - Oct '86: ???
The Marked Attic Rehearsal (1986): ???
The Marked Joliet Tape: I have (ANA-1>CDR) CDR-4, it looks like there is an ANA-1>CDR-M circulating though
The Marked unknown tape: ???

So what we currently need is:
  • Gravity Demos with good lineage
  • FAEOMM with good lineage
  • Sacred + Profane SBD tour comp with good lineage
  • MCIS Demos I - we don't even have a good commerical bootleg rip of this. Does a non-commercial source exist?
  • Rips of TSP and Moon official demo tape releases
  • Drown demo tape rip
  • Gish Basement Tape - does this exist outside the Pumpkin Seeds bootleg?
  • Psycho Tape 2 Disc DVD (can't find my copy)
  • MSOTS Rough mixes
  • MSOTS Premasters
  • Spun OST M4As (can't find all of them)
  • All of the Marked demos
Is there anything else we're missing on these lists?
Do we want to incIude that awful Spun FLAC rip? I say we omit it.
What about the dubious TFE MP3 "premaster"? I say we omit this too.

 
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ok cool, i understand now

When you say "with good lineage" shouldn't a original CD copy (CDR-M) be exactly the same even if it has been copies many times, as digital is bit of bit the same when you copy a CD? so CDR-1 or CDR-100 should be identical. or are you trying to find the originals the CD's were made from?

 
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ok cool, i understand now

When you say "with good lineage" shouldn't a original CD copy (CDR-M) be exactly the same even if it has been copies many times, as digital is bit of bit the same when you copy a CD? so CDR-1 or CDR-100 should be identical. or are you trying to find the originals the CD's were made from?
Not all ripping software is accurate, and errors can be introduced from read/write issues.
So a CDR-100 is the same as a CDR-1 as long as everyone ripped and burned their CDs properly.

Originals from which the CDs were made are even better.

 
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ahh, so you are trying to track down the master/origins of what made the cd-r's, wow, sounds like digging through family tree/history. Good idea though, making it all available in the best quality.
any ideas of how it will be hosted? a free upload site, or a few different accounts in order to make the space?

 
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im sure if a free account would not hold enough space, we could try asking for a few $ from a bunch of people for an account with enough space. Maybe $5.00 to join, giving you access to it all.

but these days in sure some site will have free storage with enough gigs

 
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So what we currently need is:
  • Psycho Tape 2 Disc DVD (can't find my copy)
I have the files for both DVDs on my hard drive.

 
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im sure if a free account would not hold enough space, we could try asking for a few $ from a bunch of people for an account with enough space. Maybe $5.00 to join, giving you access to it all.

but these days in sure some site will have free storage with enough gigs
Files uploaded to hosting sites never last long. The current plan is to create torrents I believe. But maybe we could use some web seeds, or seed boxes or something.

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I have the files for both DVDs on my hard drive.
Great. That's one more thing crossed off the list then.

 
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Alright, so now we need to add lossless Machina electric demos to the list.

 
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