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Old 07-01-2014, 04:17 AM   #151
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You have the Spun soundtrack in FLAC? I thought the only copy circulating is the 128k mp3 source. (With distortion in Jesus, I around 3:21 making it un-listenable.)
There is no 128kbps MP3 source, the source you are referring to were AAC M4As. Any MP3s were transcoded from them.

The FLAC source I have is only for three songs, and has horrendous noise, making it much worse than these M4As. The ripper claims this is how it is on the CD, but he didn't use EAC, so I think it is more likely it was poorly ripped.

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I was part of the triple tree, and I have the sacred and profane tour comp somewhere, I will look for it. Worst case scenario, you could piece it back together from the full soundboards of the May 2000 shows.
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worst case scenario, i could just rip the cd i have. (there would be absolutely no point in reassembling this.)
but ideally, we'd like to locate the set of shn files that was shared originally.
I have located the files that were used to burn the CDs for the RTS tree. There are some differences in the fingerprints.

I may have the original files for Triple Tree too, I need to check.

I will post an update on the status of everything later.

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:32 AM   #152
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So has anyone figured out the realities of doing this. Where is this stuff going to be hosted. We need a server or a seed box. If we just do plan old normal torrents this stuff will just fall out circulation again.

If we ever get a server I could simply up my entire collection there.

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 10:14 AM   #153
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If we just do plan old normal torrents this stuff will just fall out circulation again.
i thought this was the plan.

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 10:25 AM   #154
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i thought this was the plan.
If that's the plan and there are no permanent seeds anywhere then it's doomed to be a lot of work to create a ton of dead links.

I could just up all this stuff to TTD but next week half if not more of them will be unseeded.

 
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:10 AM   #155
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does anyone have the originally shared files for "sacred and profane tour soundboard compilation"?
Yes, just checked through my stuff and I have these.

 
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all right!

 
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There is no 128kbps MP3 source, the source you are referring to were AAC M4As. Any MP3s were transcoded from them.

The FLAC source I have is only for three songs, and has horrendous noise, making it much worse than these M4As. The ripper claims this is how it is on the CD, but he didn't use EAC, so I think it is more likely it was poorly ripped.
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Old 07-01-2014, 03:15 PM   #158
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Mulhausen was one pompous geek.

 
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Old 07-02-2014, 07:00 AM   #159
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Yes, just checked through my stuff and I have these.
Okay, I have RTS tree files, but I'm not confident that the Triple Tree files I have are the source SHN files used to burn the CDs.

Are you sure this is what you have, because that is excellent if you do! Do you just have Sacred and Profane, or do you have the original SHNs for Gravity Demos and FAEOMM too?

 
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Old 07-02-2014, 07:58 AM   #160
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Okay, I have RTS tree files, but I'm not confident that the Triple Tree files I have are the source SHN files used to burn the CDs.

Are you sure this is what you have, because that is excellent if you do!
On reflection I'm unsure about some of the details; I personally did not participate on either tree, but I have Scared&Profane SHN files (+MD5 signatures) with this accompanying text file:
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VARIOUS SACRED + PROFANE PERFORMANCES


SBD>DAT>CDR
72:56

tracklist:
1. Rock On [Essex cover]
2. The Everlasting Gaze
3. Pug
4. Glass and the Ghost Children
5. Age of Innocence
6. I of the Mourning
7. Tonight, Tonight
8. To Sheila
9. This Time
10. Snail
11. Fuck You
12. Raindrops + Sunshowers
13. Heavy Metal Machine
14. Bullet with Butterfly Wings
15. Once in a Lifetime [Talking Heads cover]


NOTES: tracks 6 and 12 from 5-13-00 Aerial Theater, Houston TX
tracks 4, 5, 8, 10 and 11 from 5-14-00 Music Hall, Austin TX
tracks 1, 2, 3, 7, 9, 13, 14 and 15 from 5-24-00 Berkeley
Community Theatre, Berkeley CA

for those lucky original 250 people who were included to
receive copies of Billy's Gravity Demos I and Friends and Enemies of
Modern Music, an additional cd of *soundboard* performances from
several Sacred + Profane Tour shows was included. Billy requested
that only "good shows" be put on this cd.

 
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:02 AM   #161
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Cool. I have a copy with the following text file:

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Jason Briggeman's Triple Tree Soundboard Compilation

1. Rock On (24)
2. The Everlasting Gaze (24)
3. Pug (24)
4. Glass And The Ghost Children (14)
5. Age Of Innocence (14)
6. Tonight, Tonight (24)
7. I Of The Mourning (13)
8. To Sheila (14)
9. This Time (24)
10. Snail (14)
11. Fuck You (An Ode To No One) (14)
12. Raindrops + Sunshowers (13)
13. Heavy Metal Machine (24)
14. Bullet With Butterfly Wings (24)
15. Once In A Lifetime (24)

Tracks taken from:
(13) 2000/05/13 Aerial Theater, Houston, TX, US
(14) 2000/05/14 Music Hall, Austin, TX, US
(24) 2000/05/24 Berkeley Community Theatre, Berkeley, CA, US
SHN fingerprints are:

Code:
3339da33f86fc814420110e4e4070e3e  [shntool]  01 - 2000.05.24 - Rock On.shn
7c77c56cab5c66e984892cdb712a9527  [shntool]  02 - 2000.05.24 - The Everlasting Gaze.shn
0c2eab0a1e6fc3fbd278b0eb02e88415  [shntool]  03 - 2000.05.24 - Pug.shn
158d25863de724f2081861360e84dc3e  [shntool]  04 - 2000.05.14 - Glass And The Ghost Children.shn
ed4a90310df0049651807668d9f4caf3  [shntool]  05 - 2000.05.14 - Age Of Innocence.shn
764db316b54857509188ac5d06efc94e  [shntool]  06 - 2000.05.24 - I Of The Mourning.shn
5e5b8971af571e14511c27ec1dda07b4  [shntool]  07 - 2000.05.13 - Tonight, Tonight.shn
cbad91ef4ac2c4b3743c28665315e6e1  [shntool]  08 - 2000.05.14 - To Sheila.shn
d0ce03916bdb38af0a421f5f0b4d8046  [shntool]  09 - 2000.05.24 - This Time.shn
21681034eeac3a7cc0bd64b81514feb5  [shntool]  10 - 2000.05.14 - Snail.shn
b422f0e35f55ae5542f912ed60810df7  [shntool]  11 - 2000.05.14 - Fuck You (An Ode To No One).shn
bf548e45ac2c8230177961de7290d7a5  [shntool]  12 - 2000.05.13 - Raindrops + Sunshowers.shn
496c921cda9c9175cd49f4a035d5c4bd  [shntool]  13 - 2000.05.24 - Heavy Metal Machine.shn
d465d6152bd5d88080810e3e663543b2  [shntool]  14 - 2000.05.24 - Bullet With Butterfly Wings.shn
4faf87a4f8bf2178abd26b5ffcef91ea  [shntool]  15 - 2000.05.24 - Once In A Lifetime.shn
What are yours?

 
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:39 AM   #162
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What are yours?
Code:
1f2ee19a8824542cb18fa2db1d83ce41 *S+Pcomp_t01_20000524_Rock_On.shn
db16720cccd51b7847d63d6bed32eafb *S+Pcomp_t02_20000524_The_Everlasting_Gaze.shn
7a31522a771dbc1593fd7525c88695f1 *S+Pcomp_t03_20000524_Pug.shn
6180d9d3ea07cab703b2f8a71030e095 *S+Pcomp_t04_20000514_Glass_and_the_Ghost_Children-Blissed_and.shn
c8a02af812c0e95cc795278263a39c36 *S+Pcomp_t05_20000514_Age_of_Innocence.shn
894e2be30bce186c1c37292ac7de62dc *S+Pcomp_t06_20000513_I_of_the_Mourning.shn
df219859d5bc9c95df708f215eda0c53 *S+Pcomp_t07_20000524_Tonight,_Tonight.shn
cb9841bb6744b60ffb8f8a7260f31dc7 *S+Pcomp_t08_20000514_To_Shiela.shn
9b127053331ccc1333ddd94c603b3851 *S+Pcomp_t09_20000524_This_Time.shn
f00d6fe1ff6d0adabe36af01bcae6421 *S+Pcomp_t10_20000514_Snail.shn
5553e8b5ea90fc3d4fa885a09b34a4c2 *S+Pcomp_t11_20000514_Fuck_You.shn
6bf07f13b6c015975c55b382f7c4b700 *S+Pcomp_t12_20000513_Raindrops_+_Sunshowers.shn
32d0265c3488fd6f7fe78d02df1de57e *S+Pcomp_t13_20000524_Heavy_Metal_Machine.shn
b113ddbadff13cb5b6f5f7732b356b46 *S+Pcomp_t14_20000524_Bullet_With_Butterfly_Wings.shn
5bac28f657841000a1e576db1f7a3972 *S+Pcomp_t15_20000524_Once_In_a_Lifetime.shn
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:51 AM   #163
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Code:
1f2ee19a8824542cb18fa2db1d83ce41 *S+Pcomp_t01_20000524_Rock_On.shn
db16720cccd51b7847d63d6bed32eafb *S+Pcomp_t02_20000524_The_Everlasting_Gaze.shn
7a31522a771dbc1593fd7525c88695f1 *S+Pcomp_t03_20000524_Pug.shn
6180d9d3ea07cab703b2f8a71030e095 *S+Pcomp_t04_20000514_Glass_and_the_Ghost_Children-Blissed_and.shn
c8a02af812c0e95cc795278263a39c36 *S+Pcomp_t05_20000514_Age_of_Innocence.shn
894e2be30bce186c1c37292ac7de62dc *S+Pcomp_t06_20000513_I_of_the_Mourning.shn
df219859d5bc9c95df708f215eda0c53 *S+Pcomp_t07_20000524_Tonight,_Tonight.shn
cb9841bb6744b60ffb8f8a7260f31dc7 *S+Pcomp_t08_20000514_To_Shiela.shn
9b127053331ccc1333ddd94c603b3851 *S+Pcomp_t09_20000524_This_Time.shn
f00d6fe1ff6d0adabe36af01bcae6421 *S+Pcomp_t10_20000514_Snail.shn
5553e8b5ea90fc3d4fa885a09b34a4c2 *S+Pcomp_t11_20000514_Fuck_You.shn
6bf07f13b6c015975c55b382f7c4b700 *S+Pcomp_t12_20000513_Raindrops_+_Sunshowers.shn
32d0265c3488fd6f7fe78d02df1de57e *S+Pcomp_t13_20000524_Heavy_Metal_Machine.shn
b113ddbadff13cb5b6f5f7732b356b46 *S+Pcomp_t14_20000524_Bullet_With_Butterfly_Wings.shn
5bac28f657841000a1e576db1f7a3972 *S+Pcomp_t15_20000524_Once_In_a_Lifetime.shn
...
Judging by the format, those are the MD5 sums of the files, not the audio content. Do you have Traders little helper or SHNtool installed?

 
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If I did that correctly...
Code:
d7bae7247f0646406428a11ec9414049  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t01_20000524_Rock_On.shn
597f46de4ce4db4b15ea1d97d09c37b0  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t02_20000524_The_Everlasting_Gaze.shn
5b94393e99da4b19f79e13d9234aa6d2  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t03_20000524_Pug.shn
358f4be3b02820203ccc7ec4c9ea5403  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t04_20000514_Glass_and_the_Ghost_Children-Blissed_and.shn
d3a5c4a8e4476c3ec2287882837caebe  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t05_20000514_Age_of_Innocence.shn
14e9bd1ede9adf55b9b94f1930acf9d7  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t06_20000513_I_of_the_Mourning.shn
df36893f838a0e302d4d262ef6be1c4b  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t07_20000524_Tonight,_Tonight.shn
a5c199c9dc62764a9c245ffcae81759f  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t08_20000514_To_Shiela.shn
557dc15ca0ad6b2b5cc5c065d465f4db  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t09_20000524_This_Time.shn
0aa700d1cfd04e83c3454b9fb3cd374f  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t10_20000514_Snail.shn
daf3abf98691a103078a4886334a6569  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t11_20000514_Fuck_You.shn
68f1cb5cb50e26f83bd383d27d72d7ae  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t12_20000513_Raindrops_+_Sunshowers.shn
fc9d2c0a84830bbde120742bea0d15c1  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t13_20000524_Heavy_Metal_Machine.shn
1f977b49dc80d3b23ad9427296714f0d  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t14_20000524_Bullet_With_Butterfly_Wings.shn
4d4c5bf02d80b0e69b062b90a5616e52  [shntool]  S+Pcomp_t15_20000524_Once_In_a_Lifetime.shn

 
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:12 AM   #165
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no match

 
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:19 PM   #166
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If a torrent is created, would it be on a private tracker? I have a seedbox, and could seed indefinitely.

 
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I think the plan at the moment is to use multiple public trackers, and just hope people commit to seeding.

This content could of course also be put on a private tracker, but the good ones impose their own restrictions on content. We may get away with lots of this on What. I can't remember what the current policy is.

 
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Most of the demos / tapes are there already, but they are either the thirteen "remastered" versions or lack source / generation info.

 
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Most of the demos / tapes are there already, but they are either the thirteen "remastered" versions or lack source / generation info.
This is why we are doing this.

 
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and also because torrents on zomb, for example, have tracks removed, because they're "officially released".

 
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What shall the collection be called? The RRSPAA?

 
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What I'm thinking I'll end up doing is I'll just dump everything I have that is still readable on to my server, then I'll let one or two people in to grab whatever they want that's not in circulation. I'll leave this up for a few weeks or until I need the hard drive for something.

I have plenty of upload speed.

I'm also willing to just do a massive upload onto a ftp somewhere. Again transfers speeds are not an issue for me.

 
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Old 07-04-2014, 07:59 PM   #173
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Is that alt 12-14-2002 emerson late show still readable? I would love to grab that anytime.

 
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Old 07-05-2014, 04:44 AM   #174
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What I'm thinking I'll end up doing is I'll just dump everything I have that is still readable on to my server, then I'll let one or two people in to grab whatever they want that's not in circulation. I'll leave this up for a few weeks or until I need the hard drive for something.

I have plenty of upload speed.

I'm also willing to just do a massive upload onto a ftp somewhere. Again transfers speeds are not an issue for me.
That would be great, I'm sure. I'd be happy to grab what's not in circulation and recirculate on ZOMB.

 
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Update. Bold means I have the best circulating source, bold and italics means someone else in this thread has it.

Pumpkins list:
Adore Demos II: Leaked on Netphoria in 2007 as WAVs/FLACs
Quiet And Other Songs: Leaked on Netphoria in 2007 as WAVs/FLACs
Adore Demos I: CD-R on Ebay in 2000, bought and treed via CD-Rs
Gravity Demos: Given out by Billy in 2000, then treed by 34 as part of Triple Tree
Friends and Enemies of Modern Music: Given out by Billy in 2000, then treed by 34 as part of Triple Tree
Machina Acoustic Demos: Billy 4 or 8-track master ---> analogM (billy) ---> CDR master (billy) given to Eric Weinrich -> whoever released it
Mashed Potatoes: < 10 CDs distributed by Billy. Eventually uploaded to the Hub in full as SHN; inferior partial copy from ANA circulates, owned by Simon Coyle
MCIS Demos I: RTS tree; (Billy's Home Demos bootleg is supposedly an inferior copy) Does this exist outside Billy's home demos?
MCIS Demos II: Appeared on Ebay in 2000, circulates as ANA-L > DAT0 > CDR-0 > SHN
MCIS Demos III: ANA > DAT > CD-R (inferior version was part of RTS tree) This was on RTS tree
Pisces Iscariot + Friends: ANA > SHN??
Reel Time Sessions: STU>DDC-1>SHN
Sequence IV: Courtney Love ANA > Onaric ANA? > John Mulhausen (applied NR) > CD-R / SHN
Courtney Love ANA > Onaric ANA? > Dave Asselin DAT (uncirculated)
Machina Premaster: Leaked on Netphoria in 2007
Virgin B-Sides Promo Tape: ANA cassette from Ebay, owned by bmaromar, distributed by rhinowing in 2009
MCIS Rough Mixes: ANA cassette from Ebay, owned by bmaromar, distributed by rhinowing
666 Tape: PRO > VID-2 > CD-R
Nothing Ever Changes: Ana-L>CDR-M>Cool-Edit>CDR-M (Asselin)>CDR-2>SHN Unknown lineage copy with much better frequency response
Gish Basement Tape: On Pisces Iscariot reissue. Also on Pumpkin Seeds bootleg, did this circulate in any other form? Do we have a copy direct from the ANA?
3 Songs O' Rarities: VID>SHN Psycho tape rip
Gish Rough Mix: ANAM (studio)>ana (cassette)>DAT>DC1>CDR
Sacred + Profane SBD Compilation: Triple tree , in need of copy with good lineage
TSP/Moon Demo: Best version is an ANA cassette from Ebay, owned by bmaromar, distributed by rhinowing in 2009
TSP Officially Released Demo Tape Rip: Released ANA tape rip
Moon Officially Released Demo Tape Rip: Released ANA tape rip - I have the one on What, is this the best?
Drown 8-Track Demo: SPRC
Drown Demo Tape: (is this the best source? ignoring SPRC) promo cassette>ANAx>CDRx>remaster>CDR2>WAV>FLAC
Ignoffo Tape: STU>ANA-2>DATM
Pistachio Medley MP3(s?): ???>MP3 - that In the Arms of Sheep MP3

666 Tape Vid: MTV Employee > Don Dowdy VHS(-0/1 presumably) > DVD
Psycho Tape / AKA 25 Songs O' Pumpkins Vid: 2 disc version
Fruit Bat Salad Vol. 1 Vid: AUD VHS(3)>Standalone DVD>DVDr(3)
Fruit Bat Salad Vol. 2 Vid: AUD VHS(3)>Unknown>DVDr(3)

Zwan list:
Premasters: Leaked, and then shared en mass via FTP on netphoria
Rough mixes: Leaked, and then shared en mass via FTP on netphoria
SPUN OST: M4A and terrible FLAC rip

Billy Corgan list:
TheFutureEmbrace Premaster???: CD>MP3 Dubious, do we want to incIude this?

The Marked list:
The Marked Demo Recordings Mar 85 - Jan 87: ???
The Marked Aug '86: uncertain lineage (possibly ANA-2 > CDR-?)
The Marked Sept - Oct '86: ???
The Marked Attic Rehearsal (1986): ???
The Marked Joliet Tape: I have (ANA-1>CDR) CDR-4, it looks like there is an ANA-1>CDR-M circulating though
The Marked unknown tape: ???

So what we currently need is:
  • Gravity Demos with good lineage
  • FAEOMM with good lineage
  • Sacred + Profane SBD tour comp with good lineage
  • MCIS Demos I - we don't even have a good commerical bootleg rip of this. Does a non-commercial source exist?
  • Rips of TSP and Moon official demo tape releases
  • Drown demo tape rip
  • Gish Basement Tape - does this exist outside the Pumpkin Seeds bootleg?
  • Psycho Tape 2 Disc DVD (can't find my copy)
  • MSOTS Rough mixes
  • MSOTS Premasters
  • Spun OST M4As (can't find all of them)
  • All of the Marked demos
Is there anything else we're missing on these lists?
Do we want to incIude that awful Spun FLAC rip? I say we omit it.
What about the dubious TFE MP3 "premaster"? I say we omit this too.

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Old 07-06-2014, 06:13 AM   #176
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Is that alt 12-14-2002 emerson late show still readable? I would love to grab that anytime.
Won't know. Still have my entire office in boxes in the living room so it will be at least a week probably closer to a month before I can start digging through the old binders and stacks.

 
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Old 07-06-2014, 10:30 AM   #177
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Cool. No rush. I'm just happy to confirm i wasnt imagining things.

 
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Old 07-10-2014, 10:41 AM   #178
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Okay, let's get the ball rolling again. Does anyone have a rip of the Pisces Iscariot bonus TSP demo tape?

Edit: Oh these were released digitally too, nice, I missed that.

 
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Old 07-10-2014, 11:10 AM   #179
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So yeah the web release clips a lot. A cassette rip would still be nice.

 
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Old 07-10-2014, 02:58 PM   #180
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I've got the cassette, but not a rip. Is the cassette really not on what.cd? It seems they have everything.

 
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