Bowe Bergdahl = Impeach Obama

[MyOneAndOnly]

keep the government out of my Medicare!

[Starla]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

this argument has been hashed out with starla 10+ times. she doesn't care about utilitarianism.

I just love how people on netphoria think they know me...

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

well she also doesn't seem willing to answer my questions either

Maybe because I've answered/discussed/debated these same questions in other threads, I work long days with a lot of paper work, and don't feel like going over the same thing repeatedly?

You don't like to hear anything that doesn't agree with you. It seems like a waste of time.

I'm going to post my opinion on something, based on first hand experiences, and you're going to tell me it's not real, or bullshit.

[MyOneAndOnly]

the problem is the conclusions you draw from your first hand experience

[MyOneAndOnly]

it's akin to people saying climate change isn't real because it's cold where they live on any particular day of the year.

first hand experience!

[Order 66]

they're pretty straightforward questions. you expect not to be called out for not answering them? i mean...

[Starla]

The conclusions I draw? I'm sorry, but there's no way to misconstrue the number of problems I'm seeing that has arisen since this law went into effect. It's discussed every week at our Sat morning meetings. This law has created a huge mess... for too many. If you think that all health care providers support and like what the aca has done... you're in for a surprise.

[FutureBoy]

they're probably just republican scum

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Order 66

they're pretty straightforward questions. you expect not to be called out for not answering them? i mean...

Because I've answered these same questions before.... and I'm going to give the same answers. My opinions have not changed. Like I said, I'll waste my time answering them, then I'll get told it's bullshit. Why bother?

The problem is, some people want to believe that this law is just wonderful.. When I see the problems first hand, then I'm just mistaken somehow.... or don't know what I'm talking about and I'm just somehow spewing conservative rhetoric. I guess that's just the problem with all of my co-workers and my boss as well.... they all don't know what they are talking about, when we sit down at our meetings and discuss the problems that are happening. They all must be conservative, refusing to look at the silver lining in the rainbow.

[Starla]

Originally Posted by FutureBoy

they're probably just republican scum

Yep.. how dare you face reality, fb.

[Order 66]

it just seems like a copout tbh.. you can't spend two minutes typing out a paragraph? i know its annoying to repeat yourself but why post about it at all if you're going to throw in your 2 cents

who knows a maybe you'll prove a point

[MyOneAndOnly]

she spends plenty of time typing. just not anything that makes any sense

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

The conclusions I draw? I'm sorry, but there's no way to misconstrue the number of problems I'm seeing that has arisen since this law went into effect. It's discussed every week at our Sat morning meetings. This law has created a huge mess... for too many.

and yet you still can't tell us how the previous system was more beneficial

and then you fall back on "it's because you don't agree with it." All I'm asking is for you to provide some kind of demonstrable evidence to support your cause and you just can't. I'm asking you to show me how exactly the ACA itself is fucking these people over and you keep coming back to the "marketplace" which is where people are given access to health insurance that they may not have had any access to in the first place. Is that more pleasing to you? Uninsured people who don't have any options at all? I don't get it.

How about this: What exactly do you want?

If you think that all health care providers support and like what the aca has done... you're in for a surprise.

nobody said that

[Trotskilicious]

it's really incredible to me that the two people who want to bag on the ACA the most can't be bothered to explain to us why

[FutureBoy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

the helicopter

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[Starla]

There are at least two other threads where I've discussed all of this. I could easily list examples of problems I'm seeing first hand, but then I'd be accused of lying or conservative thinking, when it really has nothing to do with being a conservative or liberal at all. You can't think beyond your party line.... you want to believe the fantasy that everything is fine, and that it's all better than the status quo. What can I possibly offer here to change your mind? Nothing. It's much easier for you to believe what you want, and that's exactly what I've seen every single time this discussion comes up.

The funny thing is, all I did was respond to future about my insurance going up and bam, you jumped all over me for that.... assuming that it's just part of the industry, when I said it wasn't, and that the aca has caused premiums to go up. You still don't want to believe that the aca created premiums to go up like this. I discussed my personal example of how the aca is working for people with ms, then I was told that my problem is not common, when it is.... then I was accused of hating the program, only because it didn't benefit me.

So if I listed more examples of things similar to what has happened with me, all you're going to do is say "oh you're just spewing conservative rhetoric, it's not real, it's a lie blah blah blah obama hater......"

I remember in another thread, stating that the ACA would cause people to lose their insurance at their places of employment and I was laughed at and told it would never happen, and that if it did, it was because it was a junk plan. When I said that not everyone has a junk plan, I was laughed at again.

This is bullshit.... believe what you want. It's easier that way.

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

it's really incredible to me that the two people who want to bag on the ACA the most can't be bothered to explain to us why

The internet holds a vast wealth of information about the problems with the ACA, many, unbiased resources, yet here you are attacking us because we don't like the program.... maybe you should take some time and start looking into it yourself?

Or are you just biased, because it's working for you. Screw the rest, right?

[Starla]

The thing is, once you've accused me of being self centered, and getting information from infowars, I don't feel so much like putting any effort into this discussion. You've insulted me already.... you can't have discussions without attacking people on a personal level. Do you realize how old that gets, and why I don't give a fuck now?

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

All I'm asking is for you to provide some kind of demonstrable evidence to support your cause and you just can't.

Because I can't provide people's personal information.... ? I can only provide basically what has happened, but you're not willing to accept that as truth. I'm not a liar... but you are ready to discredit me anyway.

nobody said that

Yet you support it .... cause, it's better than status quo. Maybe you should start talking to some other health care providers and get their take on it, don't just take my word for it, cause infowars.

[Starla]

Scotty, as it is, I don't give a fuck what you have to say after your rude posts about my sister in the other thread.

I'm not sure why I bother coming to netphoria anymore. Maybe it is time to just fucking leave.... I cannot share anything without being attacked here. I'm just not into that anymore. Maybe it's cause I don't actively seek to attack others... I don't fit in.

[FutureBoy]

yeah I already explained to him why I won't engage him now (same thing really). he's still all like mystified.

like trots I'm really happy you just now realized that when they said some people would get coverage that they were talking about actual human beings, but you know some of us already knew that and yet remained unimpressed

[FutureBoy]

it's my fault he got nasty starla, I think he was just trying to somehow show that his heart does not in fact burn for you

[Starla]

Originally Posted by FutureBoy

it's my fault he got nasty starla, I think he was just trying to somehow show that his heart does not in fact burn for you

No, I think he's just been like that all long, and finally got around to me.

I've been posting here for years, without attacking other people on a personal level... and I guess it's just getting old now. The only reason I keep coming around here, is because I genuinely like reading a few people, like Erica. But even she's been told to stfu a time or two, when I really think she's a kind person.... just sharing.

You can't really hang here, if your opinions don't fall in line with everyone else. It's getting ridiculous.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

The internet holds a vast wealth of information about the problems with the ACA, many, unbiased resources, yet here you are attacking us because we don't like the program.... maybe you should take some time and start looking into it yourself?

Or are you just biased, because it's working for you. Screw the rest, right?

because your reasons are fucking uninformed bullshit, starla.

i'm done with this.

[Trotskilicious]

i never attacked you on a personal level in this argument, you're just taking it personally because you can't deal with me challenging your reasoning

it's a super easy cop out, go ahead. just whatever, i don't give a shit if you continue to blame obama for every goddamn thing in the world

just pretend i said you were a stupid idiot or whatever, it's not like FB is deliberately escalating the situation because he's a pathetic troll

[Starla]

yeah, I work in health care, but I'm uninformed. Thank you.

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i never attacked you on a personal level in this argument, you're just taking it personally because you can't deal with me challenging your reasoning

You tried to accuse me of being self centered, because the program didn't work for me, then said I get my information through conspiracy theories. My reasoning has been challenged enough in other discussions.

[Trotskilicious]

it's not a personal attack when you say someone is uninformed because they blame the marketplace and "obamacare" for the quality of health care on the marketplace

it's calling a spade a spade

[Trotskilicious]

i say you get your information from the conservative media and infowars because so far every talking point you've brought up is directly from that media sphere and you can't elaborate on it at all

if that's a personal insult i don't know what to tell you, stay out of political discussion then.

personal insults are what i've been lobbing at futureboy, who again, is deliberately goading you into attacking me for his own amusement.

[FutureBoy]

I didn't drag her into this, ur own doing guy