Bowe Bergdahl = Impeach Obama

[MyOneAndOnly]

Its also funny that many of the components of the ACA were already in place prior to the insurance marketplaces.

But the launch was a "failure"

Keep moving the goalposts

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

I really wish politics wasn't involved in health care. It shouldn't be.

???

what should be involved in health care, then?

I think people who do not work in health care, don't understand how much this has hurt others, because they don't see the denials, and the programs/medicines/treatments/surgeries that medicaid or marketplace plans won't cover.

still blaming the ACA and marketplace for the insurance industry

[Starla]

You were on my facebook for months. I have to wonder what you really think about me. Not sure why you're being nasty today. Whatever...

[Trotskilicious]

and still not explaining to me how the pre-ACA status quo was getting people the treatment they need and the drugs they want and paying for the surgeries they required

[FutureBoy]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

Launch would be the first open enrollment period

no, that's how you would define the launch.

this isn't very hard here people

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

You were on my facebook for months. I have to wonder what you really think about me. Not sure why you're being nasty today. Whatever...

i'm not being nasty! i haven't said you were stupid or an idiot or personally insulting to you. yeah i said you "sound like a republican" because you kind of do

i like you bunches, i just think you're going about this the wrong way

but c'est la vie

i am tired, i wish debaser was here

ultimately i don't hold this against you

just futureboy

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

I don't read info wars. Do you honestly take me as someone who believes everything I read? As much as I have joked on this forum about conspiracies... seriously?

well i wasn't really sure if you were always joking to be honest, you got that deadpan

[FutureBoy]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

Its also funny that many of the components of the ACA were already in place prior to the insurance marketplaces.

But the launch was a "failure"

Keep moving the goalposts

I haven't said anything about the components of aca, Trotskys even mentioned it a few times now, are you confusing me and Starla

[FutureBoy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

ultimately i don't hold this against you

just futureboy

what why, I'm like 100% with Starla

[Trotskilicious]

because your phony know-it-all crap has worn thin and the fact that for six years you have steadfastly refused to make any sort of substantive argument while demanding others to do so in response to your vague cynical snark is just incredible

[Trotskilicious]

i mean if this is all a troll, masterful work. you've kept it up for nearly six years now!

[FutureBoy]

oh ok

[FutureBoy]

that's completely wrong btw, and I would destroy every piece of it if I felt like typing with anything other than Swype,

[Trotskilicious]

the helicopter

[Starla]

Why does it matter what I sound like? I'm conservative on some issues, and lean to the left on others. I've already said many times, I'm tired of the dem and repub parties.

[Starla]

Originally Posted by FutureBoy

what why, I'm like 100% with Starla

I thought I recognized you from GLP

[Future Boy]

pm me your handle, we'll rule two boards

[Future Boy]

well talk about how trots crush on you keeps him from attacking you and holding things against you

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

Why does it matter what I sound like? I'm conservative on some issues, and lean to the left on others. I've already said many times, I'm tired of the dem and repub parties.

you can't really have your cake and eat it too, you have to have a consistent ideology

i think you already know how i feel about parties/our "democracy"

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

well talk about how trots crush on you keeps him from attacking you and holding things against you

shut the fuck up you creep

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

When it comes to the ACA obama has done mostly the opposite of what a true "pol" would have done. He fought the efforts of his own base to create any kind of socialized medicine so that he could pass a conservative market based plan. IE. he pissed off the people who should have been the ones he would rely on to sell and support it. If he'd been concerned about his popularity or image and building short term political capitol he wouldn't have done this at all. He'd have pushed a few cosmetic reforms and moved on. Every politician before him who's stepped into this has been punished for it.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

shut the fuck up you creep

see we cant do it here he'll get all touchy

[Trotskilicious]

i'm gonna go HAM all over you dogg

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

you have to have a consistent ideology

lol come on...

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

pm me your handle, we'll rule two boards

Sadly, I'm just an AC. Thanks to obamacare, I can't afford to pay $10 a month there.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Starla

This wasn't about ME. It's about how it affects OTHERS. I'm giving my experience as an example for what MANY OTHERS are facing.

Social programs SUCK .... I want to see better for everyone. Even if the act is just a beginning, we have one hell of a long way to go to address all of the new problems created by it.

You're the one bringing politics in to this in regards to my posts, where all I have discussed is the problems with health care alone.

No. you're like a broken record. You keep making comments about how the ACA is hurting people. But if you look at the measurable effects of the law, like health care costs, enrollment numbers, etc. most of you comments don't make any sense and sound wildly subjective. What you're really complaining about are benefits or services that the ACA doesn't provide for. But that was the case BEFORE the ACA, so how do rationalize blaming one thing after another on it?

The ACA only does so much. If you want universal affordable coverage you'd need a national single payer program, either fully socialized or "Medicare" style like Canada or Japan that has strict cost controls.

If you want that you first need to have a majority of Americans who want it. otherwise conservatives in both parties aren't going to implement anything like that.

[redbreegull]

this argument has been hashed out with starla 10+ times. she doesn't care about utilitarianism.

[Trotskilicious]

well she also doesn't seem willing to answer my questions either

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

lol come on...

What? Cherry picking different things from the right and the left often ends up with contradicting principles eg "I want low taxes but better social services."

and that's why our country sucks and our democracy doesn't work

[Trotskilicious]

"I want the health care industry to be fixed but I want the federal government to be small and stay out of our lives."