Bowe Bergdahl = Impeach Obama

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

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please Omega, we're trying to have a discussion here

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

lately FB it seems like you're just half assing this whole obama cynic thing because you're running out of shit to complain about

da fuq you smoking? There's a litany of over the top bullshit coming from the Emperor with no clothes. It's a weekly clusterfuck now. I can overlook the continuation of drug and gun running and even the bogus mercenary induced "Arab Spring" because alot of that is carry over from previous admin's. He's just a puppet after all.


But Barry comes from the land of Marx and that IRS intimidation on political opponents in such a now obvious manner stretches by leaps and bounds what's been done before. How bout that "I'm good at killing people" quote commenting on the drone program. You think a Republican would survive the media onslaught from such a quip?



Glorified college prof surrounded by sycophants to their Utopian nanny state ideal. I think they thought they would get a boost from this, but its been anything but and it comes on the heals of the VA monstrosity starting to stick to him.


I heard a poll today saying it was a 45-45 split on whether this Bergahl trade was a good move or not. Getting back a POW should be a 90-10 spread in favor. It's like a 'what's your feeling on puppies' type a question. Top Dems are backpeddling so who knows what might happen.

[Future Boy]

please dont help me

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

please Omega, we're trying to have a discussion here

alrighty, rant over.


I'll stick to topic:



Senators Show Frustration After Briefing on Ex-P.O.W.

WASHINGTON — White House officials failed Wednesday night to quell rising anger and frustration in both parties on Capitol Hill after a senators-only classified briefing about President Obama’s decision to free five Taliban prisoners in return for the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who military officials say walked off his base in Afghanistan five years ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/05/wo...-pow.html?_r=0



That's whats going on today with this.


Here's an interesting peak into the past:


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...f-war-20120607





America's Last Prisoner of War

Three years ago, a 23-year-old soldier walked off his base in Afghanistan and into the hands of the Taliban. Now he’s a crucial pawn in negotiations to end the war. Will the Pentagon leave a man behind?


By Michael Hastings
June 7, 2012 8:00 AM ET

In June 2012, fearless Rolling Stone contributing edtior Michael Hastings wrote the definitive first account of Bowe Bergdahl — the young American soldier who was captured by the Taliban and became the last American prisoner of war. Hastings, the journalist who brought down the career of General Stanley McChrystal in these pages, died in a car accident one year later. Bergdahl was freed this weekend. Hastings' incredible story is available in full here:

Michael Hastings. The reporter who made a call to arms to his fellow journalist to clamp down on this administration on the national TV Sunday talk shows, then two days later wrapped his BMW into a tree on a residential road at 85 mph. This after he was telling friends he was worried he was being followed and even asked a friend to borrow their car, but they refused.


Nobody really paid much attention to this article when it was released. But the FBI did. They considered "controversial journalism". I'm the middle of it now, its a hell of a read.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

please dont help me

I have my own point of view, what makes you think it has anything to do with you? I know you awake, so stop tripping.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

yeah but Im right, so ok. Ignoring the media side of politics, smart plan, let me know how it works.

missing the point as usual, what i'm getting at is the Most Terrible Thing Ever happens every other day and is forgotten about by the next Most Terrible Thing occurs and it seems not to matter over the long run

the middle, duh. you know there is a sizeable chunk of the public that could really go either way on stuff, and looking like fools doesnt help sway them to your side. You do not belong in this group Trots, but it exists. There are people out there that.......wait for it...dont think like you. I know, fucking weird right? Take a minute to consider that.

You mean the middle that re-elected obama and is increasingly more scared of the increasingly more fringe GOP? That middle?

Thats not really accurate but you dont have much to hang your hat on so go for it.



I dont need anything, I want to hear what YOU think we are better on now compared to then. This seemed important enough for you to mention as far as my line of thinking, when it really had zero to do with what I said. Well then explain yourself on it.


dont skip this. the good in the bill has been known since the beginning, even Ive acknowledge it. So for you to say you werent aware of it and were only bitching about the PO is pretty surprising to be honest. Im thinking either you benefited from it when you lost your job, or it involves your new non-profit job somehow.

and not a single shred of reasoning or examples or anything resembling an academic argument, come on man...

yeah perhaps i got a new perspective on things because new shit has come to light, maybe i was too selfish to understand the scope but where is your reasoning, were are your examples, what is really behind your criticism of the ACA other than cynical bitterness?

[Trotskilicious]

at this point FB the onus is on you to actually provide some examples to really cement your criticism, but you still relentlessly push it onto me as if i owe it to you to explain to you why i'm saying that all you do is moan about how the sky is falling

i'm not any more a fan of our wholly corrupt system than ever but with you it's about OBAMA not AMERICA and you STILL can't really give us an actual outline of what exactly your problem is, and you never have

we are bringing troops home and ending the full scale wars in iraq and afghanistan and you ask how is it possible that we're better off than we are under bush? are you really that completely myopic?

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

missing the point as usual, what i'm getting at is the Most Terrible Thing Ever happens every other day and is forgotten about by the next Most Terrible Thing occurs and it seems not to matter over the long run

not really

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

You mean the middle that re-elected obama and is increasingly more scared of the increasingly more fringe GOP? That middle?

this is funny. I think you need to take another minute.

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

yeah perhaps i got a new perspective on things because new shit has come to light, maybe i was too selfish to understand the scope

nothing new has come to light, seriously, nothing. You've changed your position, Im asking why. You can provide it or not, but if you feel on calling me out on this nonsense then explain your change of heart. does it truly honestly just boil down to, oopsie-i wasnt paying attention before.

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

and not a single shred of reasoning or examples or anything resembling an academic argument, come on man...
....where is your reasoning, were are your examples, what is really behind your criticism of the ACA other than cynical bitterness?

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

at this point FB the onus is on you to actually provide some examples to really cement your criticism, but you still relentlessly push it onto me as if i owe it to you to explain to you why i'm saying that all you do is moan about how the sky is falling

See heres the thing Trots, Ive given my reasoning, and it was solid enough at the time that you either didnt question it, or maybe were simply not paying attention to it, but I feel absolutely no desire to repeat myself for someone that will automatically criticize me with this tired bullshit that Ive been hearing here for years, especially when I didnt even criticize the ACA! I mentioned the website launch fucked the dem momentum gained from the gov shutdown, how is that even remotely controversial?

The launch was a total clusterfuck, like complete, theres no denying that. Any honest person that 100% supports the ACA cannot deny its launch was anything other than an embarrassment. But yet you felt the need to come to its defense, either because its helping your checking account or you honestly just bothered to inform yourself about shit that happened 4 yrs ago. And Im supposed to what, explain myself to someone that didnt bother to read me the first time, didnt bother to just ask me what I thought about it, but is totally comfortable enough to just launch this type of shit at me:

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i'm not any more a fan of our wholly corrupt system than ever but with you it's about OBAMA not AMERICA and you STILL can't really give us an actual outline of what exactly your problem is, and you never have

Well, no. Fuck you, I already have, look for it if you care to, if not then dont. and for the millionth god damn time: Obama is a Pol doing what pols do. I hate the dem supporters like scotty, rbg, and others that clearly fucking know better but cheer or accept shit simply because its democratic shit. Fucking useless. But you guys are practical, if nothing else you have that going for you.

Like, I got favorite pols, Barney frank, Uncle Joe, and pols that I hope join arlen spectre in hell. But honestly who doesnt hate arlen spectre? his family doesnt count. Obama isnt in either group.

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

we are bringing troops home and ending the full scale wars in iraq and afghanistan and you ask how is it possible that we're better off than we are under bush? are you really that completely myopic?

wars end, big whoop, but you know america-fuck yeah
so, anything else?

[Trotskilicious]

the helicopter

[Trotskilicious]

and the website didn't really affect me positively or negatively but i do know for sure that you consume too much media and you think it was a bigger deal than it actually was. but by all means just continue to suck down the blogosphere and pretend like you aren't just completely enveloped in its nihilistic obsession with being completely petty

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

wars end, big whoop, but you know america-fuck yeah
so, anything else?

that's all that is necessary and ultimately all i was going for when i said "we're better off now"

i mean i just think you need to disconnect from this shit

[Future Boy]

see I would but then 4yrs down the line I'd be all like, "You mean it covers pre-existing conditions?!! Wha..." and well who needs that really

[duovamp]

I'm willing to relax my standards for president to somewhere below Jesus but anywhere above George W. Bush.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

The launch was a total clusterfuck, like complete, theres no denying that.

the launch was a success. Look at the enrollment numbers. It was a media/marketing clusterfuck. The issue is whether you view the success of the ACA as a political success that translates to additional authority or political capitol for the president, or the law doing what it was intended to do all along, protect and provide access to health care.

Originally Posted by Future Boy

Well, no. Fuck you, I already have, look for it if you care to, if not then dont. and for the millionth god damn time: Obama is a Pol doing what pols do. I hate the dem supporters like scotty, rbg, and others that clearly fucking know better but cheer or accept shit simply because its democratic shit. Fucking useless. But you guys are practical, if nothing else you have that going for you.

Like, I got favorite pols, Barney frank, Uncle Joe, and pols that I hope join arlen spectre in hell. But honestly who doesnt hate arlen spectre? his family doesnt count. Obama isnt in either group.

When it comes to the ACA obama has done mostly the opposite of what a true "pol" would have done. He fought the efforts of his own base to create any kind of socialized medicine so that he could pass a conservative market based plan. IE. he pissed off the people who should have been the ones he would rely on to sell and support it. If he'd been concerned about his popularity or image and building short term political capitol he wouldn't have done this at all. He'd have pushed a few cosmetic reforms and moved on. Every politician before him who's stepped into this has been punished for it.

Also, you don't fucking know me very well. When the ACA was going through congress I opposed it. I support real solialized medicine. I think it's a giant hand out to conservative business interests and it leaves too many people without coverage.

But the reason for it's shortcommings aren't due to the Democratic Base which I mostly support. It's because CONSERVATIVES in the Democratic and Republican party. I'm not a Democrat because I like everything the party stands for. Since I was 18 years old I've worked inside of Left wing groups that in turn work within the Democratic party because there's no other way to have influence in the political process (other than spending a billion dollars to buy politicians).

So go fuck yourself!

Originally Posted by Future Boy

wars end, big whoop, but you know america-fuck yeah
so, anything else?

Thanks Obama!

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by duovamp

I'm willing to relax my standards for president to somewhere below Jesus but anywhere above George W. Bush.

seriously, you can only expect so much from humanity/america/democracy

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

see I would but then 4yrs down the line I'd be all like, "You mean it covers pre-existing conditions?!! Wha..." and well who needs that really

i like how you keep pretending like i didn't know this

i did

i didn't understand it's impact, like you still don't, because it doesn't affect you at all.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

the launch was a success. Look at the enrollment numbers. It was a media/marketing clusterfuck. The issue is whether you view the success of the ACA as a political success that translates to additional authority or political capitol for the president, or the law doing what it was intended to do all along, protect and provide access to health care.

honestly this is a good point

it's kind of obvious that FB derives most of his analysis from the blogosphere and perhaps cable news, because the hyperbolic hysteria of how things were "handled" or "presented" to the "middle" seems to be totally disconnected from that middle and reality at large, since ultimately the middle they are talking about do not care as much as they do or pay as much obsessive attention to detail

are the drone strikes, illegal wars and other misdeeds worth yelling about? absolutely. is the fucking website an issue? NO. SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU ARE PLAYING INTO THE CONSERVATIVE NARRATIVE.

[FutureBoy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i like how you keep pretending like i didn't know this

i did

i didn't understand it's impact, like you still don't, because it doesn't affect you at all.

not understanding it's impact is just as bad honestly.

how do you know it doesnt?

[FutureBoy]

them hitting their target numbers doesn't make the launch a success, that's silly

[FutureBoy]

I can't quote easily on this phone, but Scotty holding the aca up as a testament of some kind to Obama's guts or something, holy fuck dude really? he never feared pissibg of his base, nothing pisses you off. I'll post a facepalm for you later

[MyOneAndOnly]

Trots is right. Your opinions seem to be typical media narratives.

Obama is a pro business political and social moderate. The Left wing of his party doesn't agree with him on specifics of many of his political stands/policies and they outrigh disagree with him on many big things. But the alternative is an opposition party run by facists. I'd call the left wing of the party realists when it comes to supporting Obama. That would ******* the members of congress who held their nose when the voted for the ACA.

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by FutureBoy

I don't really post much politics anymore.

but for some reason you're always on this board.

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

see I would but then 4yrs down the line I'd be all like, "You mean it covers pre-existing conditions?!! Wha..." and well who needs that really

If I had to go through Obamacare, it wouldn't have helped me at all. None of the plans cover the medications I'm on, nor does it cover the neurologist I've been seeing for years now. I went through every plan in the market place and not one covers it. One of my medications is $4250.00 a month out of pocket. My insurance covers all of that except for $160.00. There are a lot of people who have found themselves in the same situation, having to either go without, or find a way to afford a higher premium. My premium has gone up by $200.00 a month three months ago, and I'm facing having to take on a second job to afford all of this. I'm not sure I can handle two jobs right now either. My insurance is $738.00 a month now, and it's supposed to go higher next year.

Being on the other side of this, working in health care, I have a front row seat to all of the problems that are taking place, and it has been a huge mess for many people.

[FutureBoy]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

but for some reason you're always on this board.

this board is dead, before this thread what was the last post on here. but feel free to be silly,seems to be the thread for it

[FutureBoy]

Originally Posted by Starla

If I had to go through Obamacare, it wouldn't have helped me at all. None of the plans cover the medications I'm on, nor does it cover the neurologist I've been seeing for years now. I went through every plan in the market place and not one covers it. One of my medications is $4250.00 a month out of pocket. My insurance covers all of that except for $160.00. There are a lot of people who have found themselves in the same situation, having to either go without, or find a way to afford a higher premium. My premium has gone up by $200.00 a month three months ago, and I'm facing having to take on a second job to afford all of this. I'm not sure I can handle two jobs right now either. My insurance is $738.00 a month now, and it's supposed to go higher next year.

Being on the other side of this, working in health care, I have a front row seat to all of the problems that are taking place, and it has been a huge mess for many people.

starla you probably just consume too much news media. you need to dumb yourself down some. the less informed you are the better it seems.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by FutureBoy

them hitting their target numbers doesn't make the launch a success, that's silly

you are still too lazy to tell us why it was such a miserable failure

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by FutureBoy

starla you probably just consume too much news media. you need to dumb yourself down some. the less informed you are the better it seems.

information is one thing

reading obsessive wonks and not being able to articulate a single reason why you think the way you do is quite another

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

If I had to go through Obamacare, it wouldn't have helped me at all. None of the plans cover the medications I'm on, nor does it cover the neurologist I've been seeing for years now. I went through every plan in the market place and not one covers it. One of my medications is $4250.00 a month out of pocket. My insurance covers all of that except for $160.00. There are a lot of people who have found themselves in the same situation, having to either go without, or find a way to afford a higher premium. My premium has gone up by $200.00 a month three months ago, and I'm facing having to take on a second job to afford all of this. I'm not sure I can handle two jobs right now either. My insurance is $738.00 a month now, and it's supposed to go higher next year.

Being on the other side of this, working in health care, I have a front row seat to all of the problems that are taking place, and it has been a huge mess for many people.

most of your criticism seems to stem from the fact that it's difficult to get uninsured people covered, or the fact that they now have to pay for something they were flirting with disaster in the first place for not having, and assorted apocryphal my cousin's friends sister nonsense

yeah it's inconvenienced some, mostly the young and healthy, and benefited the old, the poor in states that expanded medicaid, and people with pre-existing conditions

also i'm fairly sure your state didn't expand medicare so blame your state republicans for that not this nebulous "obamacare" you scapegoat for everything

also i like how you refer to "obamacare wouldn't have helped me." that doesn't even make sense. you can't be denied coverage for pre existing conditions and a host of other things are benefiting you already, even if you're not using them. your daughter, for example, will be able to use your health coverage until she's in her mid 20s.

yeah health care is expensive and now people have to buy it. oh dear the sky is falling

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

but for some reason you're always on this board.

to be frank all he does is throw in vague cynical remarks so it's not like he actually does post about politics

[Bread Regal]

your yearly tax bill goes up by 90 bucks if you don't though.

tyranny.