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crescentfresh · 06-30-2003, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by jczeroman

I hate those fucks

me too.

My mom used to watch Pat all the time. I was raised on the christian channel or christian network or whatever it was called. And she made me listed to Christian contemporary music. like Carman. And Petra.

Nimrod's Son · 06-30-2003, 11:52 AM

I hope the public access San Diego Jesus guy gets his own channel like Pat Robertson did.

Desi · 06-30-2003, 11:53 AM

Every religion tries to convert people, because those who are inside the fold are full of doubt. When the fold starts growing, their doubts are settled, their belief becomes thicker, weightier- "So many people cannot be wrong."

All these missionaries all around the world bringing people to Catholicism are just making the Catholics inside the fold believe, "You are the real religion, and the other religions are just so-so."
A man of truth never tries to convert you.
a man of truth conveys his experience to you. He shares his experience with you, but that does not mean that you have to agree with him. It does not mean either that you have to disagree with him. IT was his joy to share, and that's where he is finished.
No man of truth has ever been a missionary. All missionaries are trying to convince the insiders that they are right because outsiders are coming in. All missionaries are trying to convince themselves also, that their belief system must have some truth in it; otherwise why do people get converted?

jczeroman · 06-30-2003, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by crescentfresh

me too.

My mom used to watch Pat all the time. I was raised on the christian channel or christian network or whatever it was called. And she made me listed to Christian contemporary music. like Carman. And Petra.

Wow... I just see the TBN bastards on TBN when I flip around. One can see very quickly though that people like that aren't about a relationship with God, but rather, are about money and manipulation. Which again points to my question -- why do atheists fight the types fo christians who obviously do not hold to the peaceful/logic-based teachings of Jesus and Paul of Tarsus? It seems that many atheists believe the way they do, not because of philosophy, but rather out of rebellion against the actions and corruption within a church movement, rather than its theological structure.

jczeroman · 06-30-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Desi

A man of truth never tries to convert you.
a man of truth conveys his experience to you. He shares his experience with you, but that does not mean that you have to agree with him. It does not mean either that you have to disagree with him. IT was his joy to share, and that's where he is finished.
No man of truth has ever been a missionary. All missionaries are trying to convince the insiders that they are right because outsiders are coming in. All missionaries are trying to convince themselves also, that their belief system must have some truth in it; otherwise why do people get converted?

This factor is true and I would also add that manipulation of material rescourses is another motivation for conversion (especially in religions that encourage/require any tithe or donation or that seek to "put down" people's intellectual integrity).

crescentfresh · 06-30-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by jczeroman

Wow... I just see the TBN bastards on TBN when I flip around. One can see very quickly though that people like that aren't about a relationship with God, but rather, are about money and manipulation. Which again points to my question -- why do atheists fight the types fo christians who obviously do not hold to the peaceful/logic-based teachings of Jesus and Paul of Tarsus? It seems that many atheists believe the way they do, not because of philosophy, but rather out of rebellion against the actions and corruption within a church movement, rather than its theological structure.

I think the only way to explain it is that they are exposed to the TBN type of Christians. Like what Desi posted, "A man of truth never tries to convert you. a man of truth conveys his experience to you. He shares his experience with you, but that does not mean that you have to agree with him. It does not mean either that you have to disagree with him. IT was his joy to share, and that's where he is finished." A lot of Christians are going about it in a wrong way.

Desi · 06-30-2003, 12:05 PM

You guys should read Osho's books. They'll shock the shit out of you, and you may not agree with everything in them, but that's where I got that quote from.

silent1 · 06-30-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by crescentfresh

I don't know about that. People like Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson sure make us look silly.

whoa, wait a minute, who's us?

Injektilo · 06-30-2003, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by Desi
[BNo man of truth has ever been a missionary. All missionaries are trying to convince the insiders that they are right because outsiders are coming in. All missionaries are trying to convince themselves also, that their belief system must have some truth in it; otherwise why do people get converted?[/i] [/b]

I think thats a bit of a strong generalization, but I would still say I agree with it for the most part. I've known some religious missionary organizations that don't operate like that, but probably the majority do.

Ghetto_Squirrel · 06-30-2003, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Desi
God is a sadist.

God doesn't save, he enslaves.

jczeroman · 06-30-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Desi
You guys should read Osho's books. They'll shock the shit out of you, and you may not agree with everything in them, but that's where I got that quote from.

I'll read Osho if you read some Ayn Rand.

Desi · 06-30-2003, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Injektilo

I think thats a bit of a strong generalization, but I would still say I agree with it for the most part. I've known some religious missionary organizations that don't operate like that, but probably the majority do.

yeah, I was going to add that I don't like the fact that the statement is trying to encompass ALL, because that's a big generalization... yet I still mostly agree with it.

Desi · 06-30-2003, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by jczeroman

I'll read Osho if you read some Ayn Rand.

ok, but i am NOT that dang chick in that book. ok?

jczeroman · 06-30-2003, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Desi

ok, but i am NOT that dang chick in that book. ok?

I never said you were her, just that your face was on her body for some odd reason. You and her seem very different (personality-wise anyways).

crescentfresh · 06-30-2003, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by jczeroman

I'll read Osho if you read some Ayn Rand.

Ugh. I cannot make it through an Ayn Rand book. Maybe I have ADHD.

jczeroman · 06-30-2003, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by crescentfresh

Ugh. I cannot make it through an Ayn Rand book. Maybe I have ADHD.

really? Try Lés Miserablés by Hugo and see if that doesn't help. That was one of the damn hardest books to get through. Once you make it through that, then try to get through The Fountainhead. You'll thank me later.

crescentfresh · 06-30-2003, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by jczeroman

really? Try Lés Miserablés by Hugo and see if that doesn't help. That was one of the damn hardest books to get through. Once you make it through that, then try to get through The Fountainhead. You'll thank me later.

I read Lés Miserablés in the 8th grade. Then we had to read it again in Freshman honors english. Weeee!

I tried to read The Fountainhead in Junior year. Maybe I'll try again.

Nimrod's Son · 06-30-2003, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by jczeroman
Lés Miserablés by Hugo

This book made me really depressed when I was forced to read it. Not depressed in the intended way, but depressed in the "god I hate this fucking book and I'm forced to read it" sort of way.

Desi · 06-30-2003, 12:47 PM

i read the scarlet letter in 7th grade and it made me want to cry. not the story, but out of sheer boredom. i'd give it a try again, but I'm afraid

my honours english I teacher was a dumb fucker. we read brave new world and 1984, but she did stupid kindergarten stuff like make us pretend we were a fucking character and shit. HI. I AM BIG BROTHER. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? WELL I'M JUST GREAT. LOL! it was her first year out of clown- i mean teaching college. miserable.

crescentfresh · 06-30-2003, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by Desi
i read the scarlet letter in 7th grade and it made me want to cry. not the story, but out of sheer boredom. i'd give it a try again, but I'm afraid

my honours english I teacher was a dumb fucker. we read brave new world and 1984, but she did stupid kindergarten stuff like make us pretend we were a fucking character and shit. HI. I AM BIG BROTHER. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? WELL I'M JUST GREAT. LOL! it was her first year out of clown- i mean teaching college. miserable.

that sounds like my honors teacher sophomore year. jesus, she was horrible. She made us do that shit with The Scarlet Letter. She had a horrible list of books to choose for book reports, so I read some stupid book on if Courney killed Kurt or something and she was so pissed and gave me an F on it. Hahaha. I fucking hated that woman.

Desi · 06-30-2003, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by crescentfresh

that sounds like my honors teacher sophomore year. jesus, she was horrible. She made us do that shit with The Scarlet Letter. She had a horrible list of books to choose for book reports, so I read some stupid book on if Courney killed Kurt or something and she was so pissed and gave me an F on it. Hahaha. I fucking hated that woman.

HAHAHA

I hate asshole teachers like that. What the fuck? I thought honours english let you skip moulding fucking characters out of clay. every time we did book reports in that class, we did something extremely dumb. once we had to be the character in our book (THIS WAS WHEN I READ THE CATCHER IN THE RYE) and make some fucking box or whatever full of their shit and go in front of the class and speak like the character. what bullshit. so i spent 20 minutes calling the class a bunch of "fucking phonies" and spouting conspiracy theories and shit. i had to bring in a fucking suitcase and stuff it full of holden's shit. i couldn't find that dang hat he wore or anything like it so i made it out of paper. god, it was horrible.

and the next year, i had the most difficult and best english teacher EVER. god she was a bitch and she acted like we were in college. she was the one who failed us if we used "is" more than once in our papers. but i'd much rather have that than the elementary school nerd who makes english class into a big theatre full of assholes.

crescentfresh · 06-30-2003, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Desi

HAHAHA

I hate asshole teachers like that. What the fuck? I thought honours english let you skip moulding fucking characters out of clay. every time we did book reports in that class, we did something extremely dumb. once we had to be the character in our book (THIS WAS WHEN I READ THE CATCHER IN THE RYE) and make some fucking box or whatever full of their shit and go in front of the class and speak like the character. what bullshit. so i spent 20 minutes calling the class a bunch of "fucking phonies" and spouting conspiracy theories and shit. i had to bring in a fucking suitcase and stuff it full of holden's shit. i couldn't find that dang hat he wore or anything like it so i made it out of paper. god, it was horrible.

and the next year, i had the most difficult and best english teacher EVER. god she was a bitch and she acted like we were in college. she was the one who failed us if we used "is" more than once in our papers. but i'd much rather have that than the elementary school nerd who makes english class into a big theatre full of assholes.

wow, that's pretty bizarre, my teacher senior year was the same way about "is" and really grilled us on everything. but we had the best discussions in that class, and I got to make a lot of my classmates that I hated look like big asses. She was awesome. We wrote like 3 essays a week, she was pretty tough. I don't think I have ever read so many books in such a short period of time.

But yeah, the stupid one...we had to make videos, make stupid posters..blah. It was so dumb. We all hated her. She wanted us to read Huckleberry Finn because it was going to be banned in a few schools or something, and we had obviously all read it before in other classes, so we all made a petition not to read it. She got all hurt and started crying. We all got a big kick out of it, though.

But I also love how that class was harder than the honors english class I took in college. Maybe I was over-prepared.

Crippler · 06-30-2003, 11:09 PM

Hooray for resurrecting ye olde threads.

noir cat · 06-30-2003, 11:13 PM

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Hooray for resurrecting ye olde threads.

noir cat · 06-30-2003, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by Ghetto_Squirrel
God doesn't save, he enslaves.

THE LORD IS OUR SHEPERD.

jczeroman · 07-01-2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by undivinemartyr
THE LORD IS OUR SHEPERD.

that's my shepherd. The difference is important because some people believe as David did (the author of that Psalm) that God is a personal being, not an overlord. Here is the Psalm in its entirety:

Psalm 23
1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. 3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

06-30-2003, 11:53 AM	#63
Desi Apocalyptic Poster Location: smartly attuned to the latest cutting-edge clichés Posts: 3,890	well, shit. Every religion tries to convert people, because those who are inside the fold are full of doubt. When the fold starts growing, their doubts are settled, their belief becomes thicker, weightier- "So many people cannot be wrong." All these missionaries all around the world bringing people to Catholicism are just making the Catholics inside the fold believe, "You are the real religion, and the other religions are just so-so." A man of truth never tries to convert you. a man of truth conveys his experience to you. He shares his experience with you, but that does not mean that you have to agree with him. It does not mean either that you have to disagree with him. IT was his joy to share, and that's where he is finished. No man of truth has ever been a missionary. All missionaries are trying to convince the insiders that they are right because outsiders are coming in. All missionaries are trying to convince themselves also, that their belief system must have some truth in it; otherwise why do people get converted?

06-30-2003, 11:52 AM	#62
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	I hope the public access San Diego Jesus guy gets his own channel like Pat Robertson did.

06-30-2003, 12:05 PM	#67
Desi Apocalyptic Poster Location: smartly attuned to the latest cutting-edge clichés Posts: 3,890	You guys should read Osho's books. They'll shock the shit out of you, and you may not agree with everything in them, but that's where I got that quote from.

06-30-2003, 12:47 PM	#79
Desi Apocalyptic Poster Location: smartly attuned to the latest cutting-edge clichés Posts: 3,890	i read the scarlet letter in 7th grade and it made me want to cry. not the story, but out of sheer boredom. i'd give it a try again, but I'm afraid my honours english I teacher was a dumb fucker. we read brave new world and 1984, but she did stupid kindergarten stuff like make us pretend we were a fucking character and shit. HI. I AM BIG BROTHER. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? WELL I'M JUST GREAT. LOL! it was her first year out of clown- i mean teaching college. miserable.

06-30-2003, 11:09 PM	#83
Crippler Apocalyptic Poster Location: Up in this bitch Posts: 4,446	Hooray for resurrecting ye olde threads.