what would you guys say to someone who believes...

[redbreegull]

that men are as oppressed as women? I want to say something intelligent but I don't even know where to start. Like, the first piece of evidence that I want to present is that I live on Earth. what next

[slunken]

i believe a case could be made - but its nearly impossible to compare suffering especially when it's not physical. You're pretty much always wrong when you try to present THIS is equal to THIS.

[slunken]

I would say that there are equal amounts of "hazing" and societal pressures in terms of growing up to be a man and growing up to be a woman.

But once you enter the adult world and stop becoming an individual things get even more twisted and weird and out of control once you fall into more complex social situations.

It's a pretty vague concept.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

that men are as oppressed as women?t

really i guess the question is oppressed by what?

[Bread Regal]

appeal to their current position and tell them that the patriarchal society we live in negatively affects both genders.

and then show them a toys r us catalog.

[Eulogy]

I would tell them I think they're a fucking moron and then I'd never speak to them again unless I had to.

[Bread Regal]

i mean.

i wouldn't call them a moron. i dont fully subscribe to the idea that "its not my job to tell you why youre an asshole" especially if the person is somewhat willing to have a conversation about it.

but you need to use simple persuasion tactics. usually a persons experience is legitimate. perhaps their dad got screwed over during a divorce or their mom was abusive and manipulative and this has affectedtheir perception of all women.

[Eulogy]

But he's clearly a moron. Got no time for that shit anymore. Unfixable.

[Order 66]

i'd ask him to go to olive garden with me to discuss it further

[slunken]

i'm only saying that if you were to isolate both groups (males and females) you would see that each gender goes through a certain hazing ritual of oppression and experimentation within their own gender.

in that sense you could say that both genders are oppressed, as some members adapt more quickly than others and some who do not adapt at all and contstantly feel like outcasts.

but yea once you mix the two groups the males dominate ultimately. it depends on how far up (or down) the ladder you want to go.

[Bread Regal]

but that doesn't mean their interpretation of the situation is correct.

[slunken]

eulogy always a quick-draw with the namecalling

[Bread Regal]

seriously, just show them the toys r us catalog. it's a surprisingly compelling display of the unrealistic expectations of women ingrained in them from infancy.

[Bread Regal]

http://www.genderremixer.com/lego/

[redbreegull]

both of these people went to hippie college with me too, I don't know what the fuck they learned there. And one of them is a woman!

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by slunken

i'm only saying that if you were to isolate both groups (males and females) you would see that each gender goes through a certain hazing ritual of oppression and experimentation within their own gender.

in that sense you could say that both genders are oppressed, as some members adapt more quickly than others and some who do not adapt at all and contstantly feel like outcasts.

but yea once you mix the two groups the males dominate ultimately. it depends on how far up (or down) the ladder you want to go.

Straight white male discussing oppression alert

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

Straight white male discussing oppression alert

failing to see what is inherently straight and white about that

[Bread Regal]

hey slunken, maybe you could further elucidate your postion on the matter YOU FUCKIN BREEDER

[Eulogy]

Well as a white male I recognize the inappropriateness of claiming men have it as bad as women.

[Eulogy]

It's like a white person complaining about reverse racism.

It just shouldn't be done.

[Bread Regal]

are you saying men don't undergo depression for adhering to specific gender norms.

like you

as a gay man

are saying that.

[Eulogy]

No I didn't say that.

[Bread Regal]

then we're just going past eachother then i guess. what, specifically, about slunkens post was so objectionable.

[duovamp]

I would respond by oppressing the shit out of a woman right then and there.

[Eulogy]

His response to an inquiry regarding someone who thinks men are as oppressed as women was to defend that person's idea as reasonable. An opinion I think is poisoned by privilege.

[Lucky Day Spa]

get him to watch this



http://youtu.be/V4UWxlVvT1A

[Bread Regal]

thats what i said too how come you didn't jump on my dick about it

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

His response to an inquiry regarding someone who thinks men are as oppressed as women was to defend that person's idea as reasonable. An opinion I think is poisoned by privilege.

and you know someone doesn't arrive at that postion out of nowhere. if they're going to try and justify their position with personal experiences, then it's probably to best to legitimize their feelings but not not necessarily the conclusions they come to regarding gender relations.

[Bread Regal]

i mean, this is persuasive discussion 101.

[Eulogy]

Your response was dumb too.

Happy?