this Woody Allen shit

[redbreegull]

what do you guys think? I just got called a rape cheerleader and a rape apologist on facebook for suggesting there was too much contradicting evidence to choose sides.

[Bread Regal]

everyone should be totally squicked by the fact that he married his step-daughter 40 years his junior.

why his career didn't end at that point, i'm not sure.

[Bread Regal]

love this though

On Father's Day 2012, Ronan Farrow tweeted "Happy Father's day – or as they call it in my family, happy brother-in-law's day."

[Order 66]

its easy to pile on but lets be honest.. nobody knows how she was dressed that day

[MyOneAndOnly]

i wonder what banana thinks

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

everyone should be totally squicked by the fact that he married his step-daughter 40 years his junior.

why his career didn't end at that point, i'm not sure.

You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
Same press kickin dirt on Michael's name
Show Woody and Soon-Yi at the playoff game, holdin hands
Sit back and just bug, think about that
Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?

[Trotskilicious]

yeah and the soon-yi thing really make it seem more like woody won a PR battle against farrow, and is actually guilty as sin

[Bread Regal]

edit: haha what the hell am i saying i need sleep

[Trotskilicious]

i dunno, listen to black on both sides

[redbreegull]

maybe he did do it (actually seems likely, yeah?) but I just don't think it's ok to go ahead and damn the guy when the evidence doesn't fall clearly either way.

What I am being educated about on facebook though, is that in cases of rape we should actually always assume guilty until proven innocent because that shows sympathy towards victims and otherwise you are a rape apologist. Also, it is impossible to not choose sides. Because if you say you can't choose, you are a rape apologist.

[Bread Regal]

the soon yi thing is really abhorrent no matter how you cut it. a 56 year old marrying a 19 year old is really really weird but, in many circumstances, defensible. he married his adopted step daughter, as a principal male role model in her life. that's fucked up. and that behavior is consistent with someone who grooms their victims into thinking their relationship is consensual.

saw this quote another forum. never seen the film but other members seem to think it's a pretty accurate assesment of the film.

What's my favorite Woody Allen movie? It's Match Point.

Which is about a man who commits a horrible crime, driven by sex, and who seems to get away with it. And the movie puts the viewer in an uncomfortable intimacy with the man, asking you whether you can go along with the man's view, which is: if I get away with it, leading a charmed and happy life where nobody knows what I did and what happened, it's basically the same as if I didn't do it and nothing happened.

I don't know what to do with that, but it's been bugging me, and I thought I'd put it out there.

[slunken]

Woody never adopted Soon Yi

[Bread Regal]

tomato tomato

[redbreegull]

bread regal all that may be true, but that's still not really evidence in any way that he raped dylan farrow. the guy is kind of a deviant and that is known, therefore any crime he is accused of must be true? That just doesn't make sense, especially when you think about how flimsy burden of proof already is in the US system because you let mentally vacant people be jurors. I just really believe in not damning anyone without evidence that paints a narrative beyond reasonable doubt.

[redbreegull]

you guys might think I am painting my detractors badly when I say I am being told that in cases of rape guilty until proven innocent is the best policy, but there are literally people telling me that. and also if you don't agree you are pro rape and have no sympathy for rape victims

[Starla]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

what do you guys think? I just got called a rape cheerleader and a rape apologist on facebook for suggesting there was too much contradicting evidence to choose sides.

I have a lot of questions about it myself.

[Bread Regal]

marrying your ex-wife's 19 year old daughter is beyond deviance. it is behavior consistent with someone who is a kiddie diddler.

like, i understand your point. innocent until proven guilty. but the reality is that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused before reaching adulthood and less than 10% of rape accusations are proven false. when you factor in behavior like his relationship with soon-yi, he absolutely does fit the profile of a kiddie diddler.

if i were to bet on it, i'd say he did it.

[Trotskilicious]

well especially when there were allegations that woody was already stickin it to soon-yi when she was 16 or so

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

you guys might think I am painting my detractors badly when I say I am being told that in cases of rape guilty until proven innocent is the best policy, but there are literally people telling me that. and also if you don't agree you are pro rape and have no sympathy for rape victims

has anyone done that to you in this thread i mean seriously

[Bread Regal]

DONT CENSOR ME

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

marrying your ex-wife's 19 year old daughter is beyond deviance. it is behavior consistent with someone who is a kiddie diddler.

like, i understand your point. innocent until proven guilty. but the reality is that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused before reaching adulthood and less than 10% of rape accusations are proven false. when you factor in behavior like his relationship with soon-yi, he absolutely does fit the profile of a kiddie diddler.

if i were to bet on it, i'd say he did it.

If I had to guess, I would probably guess the same. I still don't see any of this as compelling evidence.

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

has anyone done that to you in this thread i mean seriously

no, and sorry for coming off so hotheaded. It just really bothered me. I know it's stupid, but I don't hate women and I am not a "rape apologist" and being labeled as such because I don't think rape trumps the regular way we treat accused people just really got under my skin

[Trotskilicious]

i got so much of that here during the Great Charm Offensive of 2012 that it barely registers to me anymore

[redbreegull]

yeah, anyone who admitted to enjoying porn was subjected to that. this bothered me more because the issue is about actual rape that really might have happened, not some beyond extremist nonsense that all sex is rape or whatever trash she was spewing.

[Trotskilicious]

if you posted a picture of corrin tucker because you think she's beautiful you were subjected to that

[duovamp]

Guys. Guys.

[TuralyonW3]

he has a bunch of really fantastic films. he probably molested a minor at least in some capacity at some point

fact is you don't really know shit about the personal lives (or dark pasts) of any of the artists you admire, not really

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by TuralyonW3

he has a bunch of really fantastic films. he probably molested a minor at least in some capacity at some point

fact is you don't really know shit about the personal lives (or dark pasts) of any of the artists you admire, not really

you are a rape apologist!

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by TuralyonW3

he has a bunch of really fantastic films. he probably molested a minor at least in some capacity at some point

fact is you don't really know shit about the personal lives (or dark pasts) of any of the artists you admire, not really

sandusky was a really good defensive coach too

[Starla]

I think Dylan is telling the truth about being molested, the question I have is, was it Woody or was it Mia's brother who has been into trouble for molesting a child.

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by Starla

the question I have is, was it Woody or was it Mia's brother who has been into trouble for molesting a child.

Didn't know about that.

Weird to be reminded that 20 years ago a court apparently didn't give a fuck if a child has been molested. Mia brought it up when they got divorced, nothing happened other than that he lost custody rights. Today a child psychologist would at least spend 15 minutes to talk to a 7 year old to make a decision if the allegations should be persued or not.