Universal Healthcare is Wonderful and Will Ensure Better Health care for everyone

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and none of them are fake?

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

so i was thinking that perhaps obama will turn out to be an agent of change because he's so terrible and the republican party is even more horrible that we actually have a real agent of change elected in the next cycle

LOL yeah right we have to fall into anarchy at this point to destabilize the entrenched neo-aristocracy that controls the government through lobbyists, PACs, and secret contributions.

They just ran 10 different drills regarding the Power Grid that ended yesterday. They can't start WWIII, the Military is being gutted by patriots who refuse to go along with shooting Americans and this Obamacare debacle isn't exactly giving the Bolsheviks among us a tingly feeling.

Beware the EMP. sure looks like they just tested those waters recently.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by hnibos

and none of them are fake?

there's too many of them to entirely be fake

also the stat that 70+% of people that receive federal funds don't know they are federal funds

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by sppunk

Gee my Katrina analogy is the lead story in today's Times.

and it's still unbelievably fucking dumb

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11...thcareg/196920

[Trotskilicious]

but eulogy it was in the times, it must be valid

[sppunk]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

and it's still unbelievably fucking dumb

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11...thcareg/196920

It has nothing to do, again, with deaths, the emergency or event. Good lord.

[FutureBoy]

Originally Posted by hnibos

so what's wrong with this one, like yeah

[FutureBoy]

but sppunk it was on media matters, it must be valid

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Euronomus

Enrollment was always expected to start slow and build up, peaking a few weeks before the hard deadline, just like Romneycare did. So yeah it really is just a glitchy website that is getting less glitchy every week.

Yeah but the point is the delayed enrollment strains everything else. Thats not even mentioning that there are questions about the data being sent to insurance companies, it's just not as simple as you think.

Originally Posted by Euronomus

um yeah they do, show me one case of someone who has the exact same plan as they did in 2010 that has been cancelled because of the ACA regulations

Ah, but thats not what you said is it. What you said was:

Originally Posted by Euronomus

However the whole "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan" fiasco is a manufactured scandal. The fact is that all the people who still have the plans they had when he actually said that get to keep those plans.

He was saying that long after 2010, and without any hedging or stipulation whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Euronomus

Saying that the president lied because companies gamed the system is reaching.

Well yeah, except they arent saying he lied because they gamed the system they're saying he lied BECAUSE HE FUCKING LIED.

Originally Posted by Euronomus

the fact is the law says that if you have the same(or improved) plan you had when the bill was signed you can keep that plan.

And had he gone around saying that he would've been in the clear. Except he didnt.

Really if you're not intellectually honest enough to admit that he was out misleading people, or you know-lying, you're not worth having much of a discussion with.

Originally Posted by Euronomus

Excuse me, never meant for that to be an actual number, just a figure of speech, I apologize for typing like I would talk. However (even though I hate anecdotal evidence) of the dozens of instances I've seen reported on in the press I'm aware of only 1 case where a good plan was cancelled, even Fox news has an article saying most of the ones being cancelled were crap.

linking to that opinion piece with a fox news url was a joke right

[Future Boy]

like its not even some world ending event, hes a politician that lied. I hate to break it to you Euronomus but these things happen.

[The Omega Concern]

Nice bait and switch move by the DNC odumbots...typical used car sales tactic.


"Hey Man, this thing is way over the cost of what you told me, what's with all these surcharges."



"Ya, but what you have now is better."




fucking greasy bastards.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by sppunk

It has nothing to do, again, with deaths, the emergency or event. Good lord.

GOOD LORD, AGAIN, AND IT'S STILL A FUCKING SHITTY COMPARISON, GOOD LORD, AGAIN, GOOD LORD

[Trotskilicious]

it's like comparing the holocaust with a disappointing brunch

[Trotskilicious]

sppunk futureboy can you please just admit it's a convenient comparison and not at all a good or accurate one

[Trotskilicious]

maybe you should go digging in some history and find out how many "katrina moments" there are for you to maybe be a little less glib throwing it around. how come this is a "katrina moment" and not a "iran hostage moment" or...shit whatever i mean fuck off the only thing they share is that it's bad goverment in action. the crisis is different, the circumstances are different, i mean fucking fuck shut up it's like you're comparing american football to mars

sppunk uses it to describe any unpopular event that is related to the preznit, i figured you were smarter than that fb come on dogg

[sppunk]

You missed the point entirely if you think I was comparing the website failure to Katrina. The president failed his party and responsibility in both instances. Both lead to losing trust.

Yes I could go back to a few decades for a comparison of a president massively bumbling a situation.

[Future Boy]

i didnt say it was his katrina moment, im just saying its not some incredible stretch.

[jczeroman]

We're obviously seeing with Obama that there is a portion of "the left" (I use this term for lack of a better one) in America who will unquestioningly follow the leaders of the blue team. I'm curious how many people this is and how it compares to the same segment of "the right" who did the same thing in the Bush years.

I mean, I remember thinking that in 2008 the election of Obama was going to bring a decent coalition (at least on a few important issues) of reactionary right-wing anti-Obama types and all of these seemingly ideology-driven lefties who admirably fought against the civil rights abuses, warmongering and corporatism of the Bush administration. But the latter group just dropped off the face of the earth as soon as Obama broke his first promise and didn't close gitmo. Even more astoundingly, they have defended his wars and corporatism with the same veracity with which they fought against similar policies only a few years before.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by sppunk

Yes I could go back to a few decades for a comparison of a president massively bumbling a situation.

really i thought obama was full of them

[Trotskilicious]

SPYDRONES ARE WATCHING !!!

[Trotskilicious]

i mean this has been a huge stupid mess since day one

[Trotskilicious]

it was like watching the lakers the last few years really dogg

hiyoooo

president popovic booyeah

[Trotskilicious]

OH MAN THIS TEAM IS GONNA BE DOPE

YOU'RE REALLY GONNA LIKE THIS PLAN

WE GOT STEVE NASH PLAYING POINT

THERE'S LIKE NO PUBLIC OPTION

PLUS WE GOT DWIGHT. HOWARD.

BUT! WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU BUY FROM ANYONE YOU WANT.

[Trotskilicious]

how could a 37 year old point and a mentally deficient manchild possibly lose when combined with a narcissistic douche?

how could a plan nobody could explain succinctly with no public option possibly fail you guys

the housing market could never drop out that's ridiculous

aaron rodgers will never be as good as brett farve

[Trotskilicious]

giving the banks a bunch of money will totally fix the economy guys

[Order 66]

i think if you absolutely had to give a historical analogue it'd be "obama's iran-contra moment"... which is still kind of a terrible comparison but like that it highlights legit cracks in leadership while there are other factors

"keep any plan you like" is misleading but you have insurers throwing out shitty plans while not replacing it with anything, so there are other actors on the stage if you objectively want to get into who's fucking who in the ass.