Universal Healthcare is Wonderful and Will Ensure Better Health care for everyone

[Future Boy]

this is adorable to be honest

Originally Posted by Euronomus

The website is a real problem but relatively easy to fix,

define easy. I mean the website isnt just a glitchy website that as soon as its ready everything is cool. In the words of uncleJoe its actually a big fucking deal, looking at the delayed enrollment figures alone and assuming its fixed sometime this year. Is it insurmountable? no, but its a little more than an easy fix.

Originally Posted by Euronomus

However the whole "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan" fiasco is a manufactured scandal. The fact is that all the people who still have the plans they had when he actually said that get to keep those plans.

yeah, um, no they dont

Originally Posted by Euronomus

The Plans that were cancelled were ones that the insurance companies sold people after the law was passed, knowing full well that they would need to be cancelled when the law went into effect, but never informed the people they were selling them to of that fact

Two things on this, first no it isnt just those plans-the Admin wrote the grandfather rules so even minimal changes to plans still around when the bill passed would disqualify a plan from being grandfathered in.

Second-assuming the insurance companies were trying to profit as much as possible (Who couldve seen that one coming? Good thing we didnt just force the entire country to buy shit from them...oh wait) and kicking people off left and right the president himself never left any wiggle room when making his statements, repeatedly, that if you liked your plan you could keep your plan PERIOD.

Originally Posted by Euronomus

Not to mention 95% of the cancelled policies were trash that provided very little or no real coverage. Anyone with half a brain wasn't happy with them, and are going to get a much better deal through the ACA.

I dont remember seeing a specific figure tied to the "your plans is shit your life will be better under ACA" stuff before, a link to that 95% figure would be appreciated

Originally Posted by Euronomus

even though the administration won't admit it, it's a stepping stone to single payer. Mark my words within 5 years a public option will be implemented, and when it reaches 75% market share(and it will)
we'll make a transition to some form of single payer.

Euro I want to thank you, this is the closest anyone has ever come to telling me a path forward from ACA to single-payer (Not counting Eulogy repeatedly avoiding the question and blurting out "demographics" once). I dont really think that has a hope, there will be no will to do it. You are very very optimistic. Very.

Very.

[duovamp]

This is Obama's The Matrix moment. Both are situations where computers happen.

This is Obama's meteor hitting the Earth. Both are situations where people are not happy.

This is Obama's giant tsunami in Japan. The government was unable to stop both from happening and now there is a crisis.

[duovamp]

Surely this will end the liberal love in America and usher in a new era of young, pro-gun, pro-life Reaganauts.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

You're not mandated to buy insurance if you don't own a car.

are we having a "terrible analogy" competition

[Trotskilicious]

because unfortunately we all have bodies sooooooo not like car insurance

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

to me there are two parts to Katrina, the hurricane people dying part and the youre doing a heck of a job brownie moron in charge of morons part. I think its fine to compare it to the second while recognizing that yes people lost their lives in the first.

But maybe Im just an asshole, so there is that.

yes but that was a reaction to a disaster

this is a big turd they called an egg for six years ("Just wait until it hatches it's gonna be great") and then we found out surprise it's a huge turd

[Starla]

Why are all of the posts smooshed to the side of the page and over lapping?

[Starla]

If I wrote code I would fix this.

[duovamp]

LOL PAKULA AND OBAMA MUST HAVE THE SAME TEAM

[duovamp]

Thanks Devry.

[The Omega Concern]

Are there any Obamatards left?

[Trotskilicious]

are you reading scots posts or not

[Trotskilicious]

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIVE HEALTHCARE.GOV, VOLVO

[sppunk]

Gee my Katrina analogy is the lead story in today's Times.

[Trotskilicious]

actually sppunk that really only underscores how wrong you are if the american media is picking up on that sensational horseshit

[Starla]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

Are there any left?

[Trotskilicious]

so i was thinking that perhaps obama will turn out to be an agent of change because he's so terrible and the republican party is even more horrible that we actually have a real agent of change elected in the next cycle

LOL yeah right we have to fall into anarchy at this point to destabilize the entrenched neo-aristocracy that controls the government through lobbyists, PACs, and secret contributions.

[Trotskilicious]

and that's how you conspiracy theorize, OMEGA BUTTCERN

[duovamp]

Heh, buttcern....

[Euronomus]

Originally Posted by Starla

And there will still be people who won't get coverage, and it won't be better than the status quo for those who will find their plans unaffordable. We've already been over this a million times here. Also, mandating this and punishing the working poor who may not qualify for subsidies or expanded medicaid is not the solution........

You clearly missed my sarcasm\point, you implied that somehow the insurance mandate was unfair compared to the car insurance mandate because if you don't own a car you don't need insurance. But everyone(except the Amish, christian scientists, so on, who aren't mandated) uses the healthcare system at some point, in other words everyone has a car.

Originally Posted by Future Boy

define easy. I mean the website isnt just a glitchy website that as soon as its ready everything is cool. In the words of uncleJoe its actually a big fucking deal, looking at the delayed enrollment figures alone and assuming its fixed sometime this year. Is it insurmountable? no, but its a little more than an easy fix.

Yes the numbers are lower than expected, not a surprise given the state of the website, but Even with those problems signup is outpacing the Romneycare numbers. Enrollment was always expected to start slow and build up, peaking a few weeks before the hard deadline, just like Romneycare did. So yeah it really is just a glitchy website that is getting less glitchy every week.

Originally Posted by Future Boy

yeah, um, no they dont

um yeah they do, show me one case of someone who has the exact same plan as they did in 2010 that has been cancelled because of the ACA regulations

Originally Posted by Future Boy

Two things on this, first no it isnt just those plans-the Admin wrote the grandfather rules so even minimal changes to plans still around when the bill passed would disqualify a plan from being grandfathered in.

Actually there was a lot of leeway for those plans to be changed and keep their status. The only changes that would make a plan lose grandfathered status are ones that make a plan even less compliant with the law than it was in the first place.
http://www.the-alliance.org/uploaded...ep_or_Lose.pdf

Originally Posted by Future Boy

Second-assuming the insurance companies were trying to profit as much as possible (Who couldve seen that one coming? Good thing we didnt just force the entire country to buy shit from them...oh wait) and kicking people off left and right the president himself never left any wiggle room when making his statements, repeatedly, that if you liked your plan you could keep your plan PERIOD.

Yes, they should have foreseen the insurance companies gaming the system, but I'm not sure what could have been done to stop it completely anyway. It probably could have been reduced somewhat, but you have to give companies time to be compliant with new regulations and that period of time is going to provide the opportunity to take advantage. Even if the date for grandfathering had been this year, most of these companies would have slashed all their existing plans to have them grandfathered in worse condition than they were in the first place, unarguably a worse situation than what did happen. Saying that the president lied because companies gamed the system is reaching. He made a good faith effort to ensure that promise, the fact is the law says that if you have the same(or improved) plan you had when the bill was signed you can keep that plan.

Originally Posted by Future Boy

I dont remember seeing a specific figure tied to the "your plans is shit your life will be better under ACA" stuff before, a link to that 95% figure would be appreciated

Excuse me, never meant for that to be an actual number, just a figure of speech, I apologize for typing like I would talk. However (even though I hate anecdotal evidence) of the dozens of instances I've seen reported on in the press I'm aware of only 1 case where a good plan was cancelled, even Fox news has an article saying most of the ones being cancelled were crap.

[Starla]

I'm so tired if this health care crap i hope there's a false flag soon to take my attn off of it.

[Trotskilicious]

a dickship will fly into the rose bowl and cum on everything

[Starla]

We need those angry town hall meetings again. I want to see old people with guns and signs that have bad grammar and misspellings.

[Starla]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

a dickship will fly into the rose bowl and cum on everything

This would be fine by me since I'm not into football.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

We need those angry town hall meetings again. I want to see old people with guns and signs that have bad grammar and misspellings.

[Trotskilicious]

GODDAMN SOCIALISTS TRYING TO TAKE OVER A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT PROGRAM, WHAT ABOUT FREEDOM

[Trotskilicious]

FREEDOM FOR ME TO BUY A FATSCOOTER THAT I DON'T NEED

[Trotskilicious]

BECAUSE YOU SEE I AM SO FAT THAT IT HURTS TO WALK BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING MEDICARE PAY FOR SOME KIND OF NUTRITIONIST TO ASSIST ME WITH A DIET MEDICARE BUYS ME A MOTORIZED SCOOTER THAT I CAN USE TO GET EVEN FATTER

[Trotskilicious]

AND OBAMA WANTS TO STOP MY FREEDOM TO DO THAT! THAT IS SOCIALISM AND I WONT SIT IN MY FATSCOOTER FOR THAT! GET ME A PEN, AND SOME POSTER BOARD!

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Euronomus

The website is a real problem but relatively easy to fix, and the medical device tax is problematic. However the whole "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan" fiasco is a manufactured scandal. The fact is that all the people who still have the plans they had when he actually said that get to keep those plans. The Plans that were cancelled were ones that the insurance companies sold people after the law was passed, knowing full well that they would need to be cancelled when the law went into effect, but never informed the people they were selling them to of that fact(probably on purpose in some cases so they can get people on more expensive policies). Not to mention 95% of the cancelled policies were trash that provided very little or no real coverage. Anyone with half a brain wasn't happy with them, and are going to get a much better deal through the ACA.

Don't get me wrong the law is nowhere near perfect, but it's a far better system than the one that was in place and even though the administration won't admit it, it's a stepping stone to single payer. Mark my words within 5 years a public option will be implemented, and when it reaches 75% market share(and it will)
we'll make a transition to some form of single payer.

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