ACA and Obama's pen

[sppunk]

Curios if you all have any feelings about Obama striking out quite a bit of the ACA recently. Expectations for savings have been shown to be wrong, the income mandate and employee mandate essentially gone.

[Bread Regal]

Didn't know he had that authority. What provision are gone, exactly?

[sppunk]

I haven't really studied all the changes myself yet, but here is the delay in employee healthcare mandate (http://www.nonprofitquarterly.org/po...ntil-2015.html).

Here is info about the income part (http://www.californiahealthline.org/...cation-process).

Obama's administration delayed the employee mandate. From most nonpartisan reports I've read, the ACA has been found to greatly increase costs. My company's insurance premiums went up 37 percent specifically due to cited ACA costs, for instance.

I'm for the provision generally, support universal healthcare, but have always questioned the ACA's cost controlling measures. We'll see where this goes, but Obama's actions have weakened it before it began really.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by sppunk

Curios if you all have any feelings about Obama striking out quite a bit of the ACA recently.

Not really. Bill was always a turd.

[Order 66]

i was under the impression the mandate (at least the employer one) was just moved back a year. the entire thing wouldn't work without it

edit. nvm you already mentioned it

[Starla]

The reform is already making an impact on the working poor up here. With a loss in pay due to the "taxes", and loss of insurance that people already had, once their job was cut to part time. There's been a jump in applicants for SNAP and the local churches are in need of more donations for food.

Mostly the problems that I have heard is, people who have lost hours, wages, and insurance they already had, and don't know how they will afford to buy into a plan. I don't see how it's a good thing. We need something, but this isn't it.

[The Omega Concern]

It's a Clusterfuck. It's meant to be. end game is to rid private insurance and private practices with everyone on the guv system to be tracked and monitored for 'healthy' behavior. It's a collective now, so the state basically gives itself this right. Don't forget compliance will be enforced by the IRS.


but nah, nothing Stasi or Stalinistic about any of it. Nothing to see here, move along...

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

There's been a jump in applicants for SNAP.

i hope they're using their food stamps with their tea party shirt on

[Trotskilicious]

this president sucks like woah

[Trotskilicious]

like woah

[duovamp]

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[Starla]

[Trotskilicious]

it's gonna be hilarious if this ACA turns out to be an absolute debacle we might as well just all commit suicide on the spot

[Future Boy]

whats it take to reach absolute debacle?

[Trotskilicious]

democrats circa 2009: "It's so complicated we can't even explain it but just give it some time, you'll fuckin love it!"

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

it's gonna be hilarious if this ACA turns out to be an absolute debacle we might as well just all commit suicide on the spot

dont do it trots

[Eulogy]

It's actually pretty well on its way to functioning as intended now.

[Future Boy]

yeah good thing they got that all sorted out

[reprise85]

some of my right wing friends on facebook have signed up for their insurance and are pretty excited about it. it's been very hard to not put 'thanks, obama!' on every post.

"OCA and Obama's penis"

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Starla

The reform is already making an impact on the working poor up here. With a loss in pay due to the "taxes", and loss of insurance that people already had, once their job was cut to part time. There's been a jump in applicants for SNAP and the local churches are in need of more donations for food.

Mostly the problems that I have heard is, people who have lost hours, wages, and insurance they already had, and don't know how they will afford to buy into a plan. I don't see how it's a good thing. We need something, but this isn't it.

that's nonsense. there's nothing in the ACA to incentivize employers to drop health care or fire people. In fact, there's an incentive for small employers to actually offer health insurance.

While early, there's no data yet to suggest that the trend of employers dropping health insurance benefits has deviated at all from the rate that we've seen over the past decade.

One thing that is happening, though. Is that employers are using it as an excuse and cover for what they were going to do anyway.

[Future Boy]

post a chart or something, that should settle it

[Starla]

I see that Scotty is still stuck on obama's fantasy island.

[Future Boy]

lets wait on the chart first starla, minds may be blown

[Starla]

lol whyyyyy did I click on politics forum tonight. *running away*

[MyOneAndOnly]

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[Starla]

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[MyOneAndOnly]

everything obama does now is ****

[Future Boy]

gotta love consistency

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Starla

I see that Scotty is still stuck on obama's fantasy island.

he's upper middle class and white which is when you get everything you want