The Whisteblower: "I can't allow the U.S. government..."

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

I wasn't talking about Leftists. I was talking about you.

Kind of shows what a troll you are, since 99% of the time you post ridiculous shit that Chomsky would NEVER endorse. Your ilk is the antithesis of what the New Left is all about.

No. Chomsky could be considered a forefather of conspiracy theorist and much of what he's commented about over the years is about U.S. conspiracy in the middle east and elsewhere.


The "New Left" are the Progressive loving bunch that so soiled the status of Liberalism they have to keep coming up with fresh terms that are euphemisms for Communist/Leninist/Collectivist losers.

[MyOneAndOnly]

LOL. If he was a real patriot he would have stayed in his homeland and not run crying to Red China and The USSR's former KGB Colonel.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

No. Chomsky could be considered a forefather of conspiracy theorist and much of what he's commented about over the years is about U.S. conspiracy in the middle east and elsewhere.

LOL

The difference between Chomsky and a conspiracy theorist is that Chomsky isn't Mentally Ill

[The Omega Concern]

O.K.


And this non-mentally man believes that Barack Obama is leading the biggest terrorist organization perhaps in the history of mankind. I can relate.


I suspect he supports Snowden for exposing some of that.



btw, what's your thoughts on Bradley Manning?


you remember him. Liberals loved him because he exposed the Iraqi War as fraudulent and perhaps criminal and it all made Bush look bad, which was another reason why Liberals loved him at the time.

He didn't get much whisteblower protection though, just a bunch of lawyers milling about while he rots away in a cell for exposing the war the way he did. That illegal war with the trumped up WMD lie and all.



But go ahead Scotty, keep supporting the criminal element that has taken over our government.

[MyOneAndOnly]

tell me more

[Order 66]

wasn't obama supposed to be making way for romney or something. was romeny going to head the terrorist organization and things got flipped around or waht

[MyOneAndOnly]

the fact that Obama won proves that he was making way for Romney!

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

Chomsky isn't Mentally Ill

1. you sure about that
2. what makes you different than a conspiracy theorist, then

[Future Boy]

he's less entertaining

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Order 66

wasn't obama supposed to be making way for romney or something. was romeny going to head the terrorist organization and things got flipped around or waht

the big can of worms there is this buzz:


the rockefeller/bush clan was behind Romney.

rothschilds/citibank crowd behind Obama.



the Rock/Bush cabal suspects they got out played in the election. Not tactically in a political realm, but in a subversive way by election fraud. I can only presume their really pissed they got outdone with the fraud, but I guess there is some merit to 3 million votes missing or something.


regardless...this latest salvo at Obama with all these scandals is thought to be related to the crowd that was behind Romney during the election and want war in Iran and/or Syria by yesterday.


This thought has held that Obama has resisted the push towards war, which I would admit makes some sense considering his posturing before. But his push for a no-fly zone changes that dynamic and he may well be being forced into it.

[Trotskilicious]

the real difference between chomsky and conspiracy theorists is that when chomsky makes an accusation of conspiracy, like for example in Manufacturing Consent which details the relationship of the government and how the media functions as a mouthpiece for its desires, he brings mountains of evidence to his case and also goes out of his way to demonstrate how it is not a back room secret covert cabal that is making decisions, but rather humans individually acting in self interest to promote an institution that serves their best interests.

[Trotskilicious]

to refer back to the only chomsky book i've read, in Manufacturing Consent, Chomsky and Herman go back through history to show how the press relies almost exclusively on information about the government directly from the government and present the line that the government delivers. When things go wrong, like in the case of Veitnam, there is a definitive shift in the media's presentation as the government begins to infight and represents that as well.

What is wholly absent from these theories is shadowy men with cigars laughing maniacally over how they've duped everyone. The media functions unwittingly as a mouthpiece for government talking points because they speak to the government about government issues, whereas those officials are put in those positions to relate with the press because of their strength of conviction in the institution they serve

this also dovetails with the ultimate theory of the HBO television program "The Wire": The idea that the institution actually holds more weight with individuals than individulals have power over the institution, be it the mayor's office, the police station, the school room, the bullpen, and even on the corner. Generally speaking, the faceless non-living institutions of our daily life have been created so that individuals do not have power, and they collectively steer individuals in their decision making.

but yeah lucipherians, whatever.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

the real difference between chomsky and conspiracy theorists is that when chomsky makes an accusation of conspiracy, like for example in Manufacturing Consent which details the relationship of the government and how the media functions as a mouthpiece for its desires, he brings mountains of evidence to his case and also goes out of his way to demonstrate how it is not a back room secret covert cabal that is making decisions, but rather humans individually acting in self interest to promote an institution that serves their best interests.

Excuse me, but the entirety of the NSA/AP scandal has to do with the Obama Administration trying to criminalize investigative journalism by going through the e-mails and records of AP reporters, accusing a Fox News journalist of being a co-conspirator in felonies for working with sources.


By that definition, all investigative journalist are criminals. Which is the agenda this government is now trying to make through their whores like David Gregory and others in the mainstream.


And you telling me this is all above board and not hidden or conspiratorial? Bull Shit. Of course it is. NOW its out in the open and as such Chomsky is playing catch up with his latest view on Obama. Better late than never I guess.

[The Omega Concern]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

to refer back to the only chomsky book i've read, in Manufacturing Consent, Chomsky and Herman go back through history to show how the press relies almost exclusively on information about the government directly from the government and present the line that the government delivers. When things go wrong, like in the case of Veitnam, there is a definitive shift in the media's presentation as the government begins to infight and represents that as well.

What is wholly absent from these theories is shadowy men with cigars laughing maniacally over how they've duped everyone. The media functions unwittingly as a mouthpiece for government talking points because they speak to the government about government issues, whereas those officials are put in those positions to relate with the press because of their strength of conviction in the institution they serve

this also dovetails with the ultimate theory of the HBO television program "The Wire": The idea that the institution actually holds more weight with individuals than individulals have power over the institution, be it the mayor's office, the police station, the school room, the bullpen, and even on the corner. Generally speaking, the faceless non-living institutions of our daily life have been created so that individuals do not have power, and they collectively steer individuals in their decision making.

but yeah lucipherians, whatever.

That's all well and good but its an example of the above board political reality we all exist in and interact with. There is an entire secret government with underground bases and super soldier programs and hidden technologies that have been operating on black budgets for decades.

That stuff rarely gets admitted to by our government, but occasionally they are forced to which happened when a class action lawsuit was brought by workers at Area 51 sued the government for chemical exposure resulting in high rates of cancer.

Jonathon Turley was the attorney who forced the U.S. Guv to admit Area 51 existed. The U.S. attorney's refused to do even that until Turley asked the Judge in the case stop the proceedings to drive the judge and jury to drive to Groom Lake and show the court the secret base.

Only then did the U.S. relent and admit for the first time it existed in a short and terse statement made in court.

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[MyOneAndOnly]

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[Trotskilicious]

2-1 he thinks rand is the shit

this guy sucks. there are no heroes. he can fuck right off with his self-aggrandizing horse shit. putting his face on an issue that the american public was just too dumb, self-absorbed, clueless and generally overly positive to realize was going on the whole time, in plain english, in the patriot act and on their fucking contract terms

i hate snowden. fucking hate him. not that he leaked, just that he seems like a real self-absorbed scumbag.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

he seems like a real self-absorbed scumbag.

Seems to be a common theme among the big-name whistleblowers, not the least of whom is Julian Assange.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Paultardism is the go to philosophy for American White Middle Class Self Made Martyrs


Real heroes die on the field of battle, or burn while rescuing an innocent from a fire, or drown while saving a swimmer in trouble, etc. etc. Real heroes don't do cryptic phone interviews with Glenn Greenwald and then run away to China.

[MyOneAndOnly]

the only people who call douchebags like Snowden a hero are douchebags like Snowden

[hnibos]

Originally Posted by Turncoat

This is pretty much the crux of it. He's not a coward for wanting to preserve his life Scotty. He's a hero, and a Patriot. The 'see something, say something' meme posted earlier magnifies that reality. To call him a coward, and to think nothing would or will be done to him is just asinine. You've heard of Michael Hastings, no?

He had no problem when the Bush administration was doing the same thing. As a matter of fact, he encouraged it.

[Trotskilicious]

yeah and most of these guys calling him a patriot on the right are just frontrunning this issue because it's on obama now

[hnibos]

Most importantly he's not even real.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Turncoat

This is pretty much the crux of it. He's not a coward for wanting to preserve his life Scotty. He's a hero, and a Patriot. The 'see something, say something' meme posted earlier magnifies that reality. To call him a coward, and to think nothing would or will be done to him is just asinine. You've heard of Michael Hastings, no?

LOL

go fuck yourself, MacGyver

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by hnibos

Most importantly he's not even real.

obama? i know! completely fabricated by the news media and trick shots.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Now we are all "fully informed" of your opinion.

[Trotskilicious]

i love it when people call snowden a patriot

no he's not, he's actually completely unpatriotic by doing this by definition

and that's not really a bad thing

patriotism is the virtue of the vicious

[Trotskilicious]

we mean that he was working doing this throughout the bush administration how hard is that to understand

[The Omega Concern]

you're falling in the trap if you disdain Snowden.


hnibos is on to something mentioning he's not even real.


Real or simulated victim, he's likely a pawn with a specific purpose: create a wedge within the U.S. between truthseekers and the masses, to ultimately pin the next false flag on the info Snowden is alleged to have released. This would quell future whistleblowers from speaking out and allow the government to clamp down even more on that front.

It's always a 3D chess game with the CIA/NSA folks. Snowden worked for both of them.