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Old 08-17-2012, 04:21 AM   #121
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Yeah I have. Actually I've heard about it a lot because my grandfather is a theology professor e meritus whose area of specialty was Old Testament Studies. He actually taught Hebrew to Jewish people in my home town. He's travelled to every single country in the Middle east, mist of them several times and he led tours annually in the Holy Land. He wrote a series of lectures in 2001 called Who Owns the Holy Land and they were printed as a small book. He's had quite a number of books published actually. So yeah. I have heard of the Jewish Diaspora.

But go on, vomit away. Honestly I don't care what you think.

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 10:23 AM   #122
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You've never heard of the Jewish Diaspora, have you, vixnix? Please enlighten yourself or I'll have to search for an "I vomit all over your posts"-icon.
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Old 08-17-2012, 01:18 PM   #123
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What your grandfather did isn't really the point. YOU managed to end up comparing the situation to South Africa, and stating "the Jews needed homeland because they had nowhere to flee". If you were familiar with the first Jewish diaspora, you might realize how ridiculous that sounds. Or maybe not. Since you are obviously Jewish and still...you are right. Puking is the better option.

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:53 PM   #124
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yeah why couldn't they "flee" back to the now liberated countries they were from?

because teh bibble sez thay r teh cozen peppl

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:03 PM   #125
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vixnix i know you love teh bibble and everything but it's horseshit

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:42 PM   #126
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I'm not Jewish and neither is my grandfather. And yeah Jewish people were in a lot if places but somehow a good many Jews remained trapped in Germany and were executed. Not sure if you know about the holocaust or not. I think the idea was that if they had a homeland of their own, more of them would have been able to leave. You know, like the huge numbers that were gassed or shot, for instance.

And I do love the bible but I don't think there's anything in it that justifies the establishment of the political state of Israel as it exists today.

And I think the comparison with Sourh Africa is fine. You maybe don't know enough about the recent history of both those nations to really comment, idk. I think they're pretty similar.

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:44 PM   #127
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i'm a jew and i'd just like to say israel sucks

my uninformed opinion

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:46 PM   #128
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hey vixnix give us the cliff's notes version of both and why they're similar.

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:53 PM   #129
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Fucking hell, Vixnix isn't joking. This holocaust thing sounds serious

Educate yo self Trots -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_holocaust

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:34 PM   #130
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Israel is a religious state that is aggressive to its neighbors.

It is also like a colony, but there is no home state, but the indigenous people are marginalized and collected.

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:45 PM   #131
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I knew that, once this thread reached 5 pages it would be Trotsky and a few other plebes gone completely off topic.

Alas that is the nature of the disease that non-plant life is infected with; deranged, we move on to the next mountain in the natural sequence of being

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:39 PM   #132
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plebes! classick.

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:41 PM   #133
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shouldn't i be getting credit for this derail?

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:42 PM   #134
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Now I get it. I assumed your grandfather would be Jewish, teaching Hebrew and writing "who owns the holy land"...
I won't start on South Africa/Israel, cause you and I arguing about "race and religion" wouldn't go well.

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 08:45 PM   #135
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shouldn't i be getting credit for this derail?
Would you like credit?

This cannot be the only time in the history of infinity that you have expanded your pupils and read up on Siddhartha or maybe perhaps the coming-undone aspect of culture as we know it (in the form of papyrus airplanes directed at unwitting plebes).

 
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:45 PM   #136
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I rly like agastache plants.

 
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Old 08-18-2012, 06:31 AM   #137
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guess I should clarify that I meant the creation of the state of Israel was a terrible idea, not that the appropriate course of action is to dismantle it.
usually these arguments are about whether israel "has a right to exist" and so i said that. it doesn't matter. it's there. and of course the way it was founded/settled/conquered was a disgrace. the "idea" of zionism is ok i guess, the practice of realising it was terrible.

 
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Old 08-18-2012, 06:46 AM   #138
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:36 PM   #139
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I was kind of step parent to a bird for about 8 months. The person that got him just surrendered him to a bird rescue today, and it's now on its way to Maryland to a new family. I feel like it shouldn't have happened and that the bird should still be here. I don't like committing to animals then "getting rid" of them because of superficial reasons. I know it wasnt my choice completely, but I feel guilty and miss him a lot.

 
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:37 PM   #140
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it's so quiet here

 
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Old 02-01-2013, 10:43 PM   #141
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