I practically woke up one morning this week not depressed or suicidal any more

[Trotskilicious]

i bet it has something to do with too much government and the lack of states rights

[mpp]

Originally Posted by duovamp

When I got out of my bed of 100 dollar bills this morning, first thing I did was thank White Jesus I had a cock, then I beat my wife and had some breakfast prepared by my (minority) personal chef. Typical boring day for a whitey white boy.

I tried to dance my way out the door but instead I just got richer and let off the hook for a violent sex crime I committed.

lol


ahhh, man you still got it

[Trotskilicious]

and taxation

[Nimrod's Son]

i think what many of you fucktards fail to see is that you can keep calling me a cro-magnon because i disagree with you about medications solving the world's problems, but shallowed in this thread has pretty much proven this to be correct.

so seriously, suck it.

[Trotskilicious]

lol he hasn't proven anything

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

i think what many of you fucktards fail to see is that you can keep calling me a cro-magnon because i disagree with you about medications solving the world's problems, but shallowed in this thread has pretty much proven this to be correct.

so seriously, suck it.

and what you fail to see is what constitutes proof.

[Trotskilicious]

ahahahaha hahahahaha ahaha ahhahaha aha ha hahaha ha

[Bread Regal]

so no i will not put your penis in my mouth.

[mpp]

Originally Posted by reprise85

i have extreme guilt over needing medication and feel a need to defend it

One of the few times recently where a post on Netphoria has stung me a little. Why the guilt? I think lots of folks need medication for a period or two in their lives (whether or not they seek it out is another matter). I'm not sure why you'd feel guilty about that but *hug*.


edit: including yours truly, of course

[mpp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

nimrod thinks the way he does because he read the fountainhead and never thought hard about anything ever again.

ahh, so THAT'S what happened...

everything now makes sense

[mpp]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

so no i will not put your penis in my mouth.

just for a few moments even? can't be that bad...

[Trotskilicious]

yeah that bothered me too, i figured the biggest mental health advocate on the board would feel better about taking meds

these people seriously think their perception is reality. it's ludicrous on the face of it. and that's not even getting to the mountains of scientific evidence that debunks their self-help book mindset

honestly it's kind of like how the pro gun advocates rely on apocryphal stories, fear tactics, anecdotal evidence and assumptive logic while anti gun advocates use statistics and data. i mean it would be hilarious if it wasn't so widespread and respected.

[mpp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

yeah that bothered me too, i figured the biggest mental health advocate on the board would feel better about taking meds

these people seriously think their perception is reality. it's ludicrous on the face of it. and that's not even getting to the mountains of scientific evidence that debunks their self-help book mindset

honestly it's kind of like how the pro gun advocates rely on apocryphal stories, fear tactics, anecdotal evidence and assumptive logic while anti gun advocates use statistics and data. i mean it would be hilarious if it wasn't so widespread and respected.

Well, you'd agree with me that some folks feel better w/o taking meds right? And some folks feel better by taking meds? And some folks won't feel better at all, etc.? My point is that a lot of it depends on the brain chemisty of the individual and the individual's circumstances.

That's why one goes to a specialist -- ie, a person who's been trained for years on how to prescribe meds, work with people to get better, etc.

[Trotskilicious]

i don't know if they do or don't but the fact remains that their brain chemistry isn't "normal"

i think some of the coping with depression lies in the fact that you can just be melancholy or cynical and that's okay, that's just who you are.

i mean the old adage "JUST BE YOURSELF!" is one of those things everyone says but if someone's being themselves and are different then something's "wrong" with them

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

yeah that bothered me too, i figured the biggest mental health advocate on the board would feel better about taking meds

these people seriously think their perception is reality. it's ludicrous on the face of it. and that's not even getting to the mountains of scientific evidence that debunks their self-help book mindset

honestly it's kind of like how the pro gun advocates rely on apocryphal stories, fear tactics, anecdotal evidence and assumptive logic while anti gun advocates use statistics and data. i mean it would be hilarious if it wasn't so widespread and respected.

switzerland: one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world
switzerland: one of the lowest rates of gun violence in the world

[Trotskilicious]

lol

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by mpp

Well, you'd agree with me that some folks feel better w/o taking meds right? And some folks feel better by taking meds? And some folks won't feel better at all, etc.? My point is that a lot of it depends on the brain chemisty of the individual and the individual's circumstances.

That's why one goes to a specialist -- ie, a person who's been trained for years on how to prescribe meds, work with people to get better, etc.

i think as a society we've moved to over-medication. it's far easier to write a prescription to numb the symptoms than it is to try to solve the cause of the issues.

[mpp]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

switzerland: one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world
switzerland: one of the lowest rates of gun violence in the world

oh no

[Trotskilicious]

it's like this guy gets his political talking points from obnoxious stand up comics

[mpp]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

i think as a society we've moved to over-medication. it's far easier to write a prescription to numb the symptoms than it is to try to solve the cause of the issues.

Medication, though, can be an effective part of an overall treatment scheme, right?

[Bread Regal]

obviously. CBT alone works for a lot of people. others are best served by a combination of CBT and meds. Not all meds react similarly in all people. The wife went on Cymbalta for anxiety and she got extremely depressed. Cymbalta works amazingly for other people. Welbutrin works well for me, but causes the opposite effect in others. It's sort of an inexact science. The mechanism of action of these meds is pretty well understood, but finding which medication is best is, at first, a matter of trial an error. It's unfortunate because a spate of unfavorable medications at first can turn people off the idea of meds entirely.

[mpp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

it's like this guy gets his political talking points from obnoxious stand up comics

Luckily for us, Switzerland and the US are comparable in so many ways. Switerland has the Alps, we have the Rockies, amirite.

Gosh we even have chocolate, just like the Swiss!

[mpp]

Originally Posted by Bread Regal

It's sort of an inexact science. The mechanism of action of these meds is pretty well understood, but finding which medication is best is, at first, a matter of trial an error. It's unfortunate because a spate of unfavorable medications at first can turn people off the idea of meds entirely.

There you go. That's what I'm saying.

My wife is a clinical psychologist, and she would concur with this. I hated the way meds felt, for example, so I stopped taking them. Bad hubby.

[Bread Regal]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

switzerland: one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world
switzerland: one of the lowest rates of gun violence in the world

you know what else switzerland is?

socialist.

[Trotskilicious]

compulsory military service! OMGZ TYRANNY!

[Bread Regal]

check out these two statistics Q.E.D. FAGZZZ

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by mpp

Medication, though, can be an effective part of an overall treatment scheme, right?

sometimes, but IMO most of the times it is prescribed, it can cause more harm than good.

[mpp]

maybe if we had compulsary military service here, people would understand how to handle a pistol better, amirite

we'd all be safer!

my dad told me about a story last night on teh evening news in good ol Kentucky (where i grew up): a burglar broke into a dude's house and the dude pulled his pistol from his nightstand and chased the burglar a mile up the road shooting bullets "into the ground"

he said that they interviewed lots of neighbors and, 10 to 1, they said "this is what's great about america and shows how the 2nd amendment is so great" etc

[Shallowed]

Thanks for your posts, reprise.

Originally Posted by reprise85

however it is possible it will never come back, since you feel better without meds and it seems to have been months long (right?) and not years.

I've shown symptoms of depression for years. At first I was completely unaware. Then I started to wonder if I was depressed. I was in denial about it because how could I be depressed? One day a friend I hadn't seen for a long time told me he was diagnosed with depression. It made me start to seriously think that I might be depressed. I was already having suicidal thoughts, but I was in denial about being suicidal too. This year I've been doing not very much with myself. Some months ago I had a bad trip by myself, confined to my bedroom at night with my sister sleeping in the room next door. I called a suicide hotline and without giving away that I was tripping, admitted to the counsellor that I wanted to kill myself. It was the first time that I realised that I didn't just think that I might have been depressed and suicidal, it was actually real.

definitely enjoy feeling better, i know i do. i have some ups and downs but i do need medication and since i've found the right combo and got some results from my years of therapy, i feel sooo much better and i'll never take for granted feeling good

P.S.

How long have you been feeling good for? I just wanna say that I support and defend your choice and need for anti-depressants. I didn't take them because I couldn't bring myself to do it, but anyone else that takes and needs them has my support. Love you <3

Originally Posted by reprise85

have you considered seeing your doctor (even just your GP) and reporting your feeling better and have him do a little quick evaluation? it can't hurt

Mum and I are going to see the doctor this afternoon, we had an appointment made anyway. Yesterday she also came with me talk to my counsellor with me. I'm not going to the counsellor any more unless I feel like I need it.

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

btw i think shallowed is proving that you don't need medications to get over your depression, just make some efforts to improve yourself

which is what i've been saying all along

That's not what I was saying at all. This is a personal anecdote, not medical proof for anything. Depression is really complex and varies from person to person. Stop trolling.

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

his feelings changed overnight BECAUSE he made these efforts

No, my feelings changed overnight and THEN I started to make changes. I've mentioned this like three times in the thread now.

[Luke de Spa]

thread is proof we're all suffering from low-level anosognosia