celebrities who are candidates for borderline personality disorder

[Catherine Wheel]

Off the top of my head I would say

Anthony Kiedis
Old Dirty Bastard
Lindsay Lohan
The Weeknd
Bobby Brown

[stripes]

why?

[Catherine Wheel]

BPD types are impulsive, promiscuous, and known for substance abuse problems

I don't know why it never occurred to be before that Brian Molko is probably a BPD type.

[Dead Frequency]

Don't you dare talk bad about old dirt mcguirk aka baby jesus

[pavementtune]

So guessing mental illness is a game for you, online diagnosis of people you don't know, based on your profound wiki knowledge? Please.

And btw, Molko talked again and again about his issues and meds in interviews.

What kind of joke is this thread?


Edit: nevermind, I obviously don't understand cw's humour.

[Dead Frequency]

Just typical cw whatever. Take it easy over there tiger. I take it you're a fan of this molko fellow

[Catherine Wheel]

How is this any worse than the threads where people try to guess what kind of disorder Billy Corgan has? It's not a game for me. It just got me thinking about all the famous people who exhibit those characteristics.

[killtrocity]

next week: famous dogs that had irritable bowel syndrome
following week: musicians who are fond of pasta salad

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Dead Frequency

Don't you dare talk bad about old dirt mcguirk aka baby jesus

dirt mcgirt

[Dead Frequency]

Oh shit, i fucked up

[slunken]

trots
ilikeplanets
me

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

BPD types are impulsive, promiscuous, and known for substance abuse problems

I don't know why it never occurred to be before that Brian Molko is probably a BPD type.

yeah but a lot of people have all of those three traits and don't have BPD

if i had to pick someone it'd be courtney love but i think you're fooling yourself if you thinking you can really tell

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

How is this any worse than the threads where people try to guess what kind of disorder Billy Corgan has? It's not a game for me. It just got me thinking about all the famous people who exhibit those characteristics.

it's not really worse but most/all of us were/are obsessed with Corgan to some degree, know all his music and hours of interviews... a little different than what you're doing here, no?

[pavementtune]

Nah, it's just the same to me. Online diagnosis of people you don't know.

[Catherine Wheel]

Originally Posted by reprise85

if i had to pick someone it'd be courtney love but i think you're fooling yourself if you thinking you can really tell

Anthony Kiedis and Brian Molko are like the male versions of Courtney Love. Outgoing, uninhibited substance abusers and sex addicts.

And anyway you'll notice I said candidates which just means I think they show strong signs. I'm not actually diagnosing them.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

Anthony Kiedis and Brian Molko are like the male versions of Courtney Love. Outgoing, uninhibited substance abusers and sex addicts.

you have a very narrow view of what borderline personality disorder is

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by pavementtune

Nah, it's just the same to me. Online diagnosis of people you don't know.

yeah it's not any better, i agree with you there

[Catherine Wheel]

Originally Posted by reprise85

you have a very narrow view of what borderline personality disorder is

http://www.addictionsearch.com/treat...abuse_135.html

"Many people suffering with BPD have hectic and chaotic relationships with other people and they're behaviors and the way they act appears to be impulsive. Some people with BPD display self-harming behaviors and hurt themselves."

This makes it seem as if the key characteristics of BPD is impulsive behavior. It can ******* self-harming but not necessarily.

[pavementtune]

So by bits and pieces of "information" you gather about Corgan, or Molko or xy, you are able to tell what signs/=symptoms they show, and how chaotic their relationships are?
Also drug use, especially long term, fucks up every interpretation/diagnosis really good, even for a psychiatrist talking face to face: try to figure out what came first - the so called personality disorder or the choice to take drugs.

Just something to think about.
(I start missing graveflower.)

[Catherine Wheel]

I said earlier I'm not diagnosing people. I'm just taking information from biographies and interviews and figuring out which celebrities show signs of BPD. It's mostly done out boredom.

[Catherine Wheel]

Yeah the choice to start taking drugs may not have anything to do with BPD. Or on other hand the disorder might cause a person to start taking drugs. It's probably not until the drug taking has become a full blown addiction that you can start connecting it with a person's personality.

[Dead Frequency]

I think being concerned with the informational output of someone without a validated connection is a disorder of itself.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

http://www.addictionsearch.com/treat...abuse_135.html

"Many people suffering with BPD have hectic and chaotic relationships with other people and they're behaviors and the way they act appears to be impulsive. Some people with BPD display self-harming behaviors and hurt themselves."

This makes it seem as if the key characteristics of BPD is impulsive behavior. It can ******* self-harming but not necessarily.

the key characteristics are impulsive behavior, unstable relationships, self defeating behavior (with or w/o actual physical self harm), chronic feelings of emptiness and identity disturbance among other things... my point: it's about a lot more than things you can see from the outside. certainly you cant go by some random definition on the internet

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Catherine Wheel

Yeah the choice to start taking drugs may not have anything to do with BPD. Or on other hand the disorder might cause a person to start taking drugs. It's probably not until the drug taking has become a full blown addiction that you can start connecting it with a person's personality.

actually you have this completely backwards re: full blown addiction being able to show a personality disorder. many if not most people with drug addictions show character distortions that are not reflections of actual personality disorders. PDs are ingrained patterns of living, thinking and relating to others that are pervasive and are formed by or during adolescence.

[Catherine Wheel]

Ok but I'm just wondering if you had someone who was impulsive, in unstable relationships, displayed self defeating behavior but they weren't showing chronic feelings of emptiness could they still possibly have BPD? Or do you always have to be all of those things to have BPD?

[reprise85]

of course you don't need to have all of them

[reprise85]

curious how you think you can "see" chronic feelings of emptiness

i mean like with corgan you can see it in his music/lyrics

but for most people, you'd prob have no idea either way

and you can have chronic feelings of emptiness without having a PD (of course)

my point is it is much more nuanced than you seem to think

[reprise85]

A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, as well as marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not ******* suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, excessive spending, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving). Note: Do not ******* suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars or picking at oneself (excoriation).
Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
Chronic feelings of emptiness
Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms

It is a requirement of DSM-IV that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria.
International Classification of Disease


I don't really like BPD in general but those are the guidelines

also these things cant be caused by other illnesses - they need to be ingrained ways of living that are unaffected by medicine or current life situation, except possibly with the help of therapy

[Catherine Wheel]

Well I would think that if someone had chronic feelings of emptiness they would at the very least have clinical depression.

[Gossamer]

This is really silly. Unless you are a psych and know what you are talking about please don't post topics like this.