we have these things called "aircraft carriers"

[redbreegull]

oh yeah you're right eulogy, far-right wing islamism popped up like wildfire in the last hundred years for absolutely no particular reason

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

lol was it really?

they expected no reaction?

OH SHIT WE'D BETTER GO I GUESS

you're all talking out of your asses. this thread sucks. sometimes you have to recognize when you don't know shit.

and yes, it was bin Laden's primary objective, he states so in his fatwa where he declares jihad on the US for this reason

jesus fucking christ, let's all just play into the narrative of ignorance and complete misunderstanding that americans prefer though, it's a lot easier that way.

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

you are a moron.

Stopped reading right here. Grow up and have an adult discussion.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by duovamp

Stopped reading right here. Grow up and have an adult discussion.

there's not really any other way to put it, you are spouting off conservatard world views not based in reality. I don't know how anyone who claims to have formally studied Sunni terrorism could believe more American intervention is the answer

[duovamp]

Using the policing US military abroad is "conservatard" now? Well you've basically argued yourself in a corner with this one.

[redbreegull]

what the fuck are you talking about, I have been stating over and over that I am against military intervention in other countries

[redbreegull]

and yes, it most certainly is conservatard. It's a cold war era us-or-them mentality that must go. In Afghanistan, the most powerful military in the world has essentially been battled to stalemate by a bunch of untrained farmers with 30 year old guns. The age of the American military empire is over, and the sooner we come to terms with the fact that our military cannot be used to get us what we want the way it could last century, the better off we will be. Until then, we will continue to make new terrorists

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

what the fuck are you talking about, I have been stating over and over that I am against military intervention in other countries

Well that's worked out pretty well for...

[redbreegull]

I don't know what you are talking about and I think you have even less of an idea and perhaps have not read the thread carefully before diving into the deep end

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

oh yeah you're right eulogy, far-right wing islamism popped up like wildfire in the last hundred years for absolutely no particular reason

lol that's quite the dodge

you realize how obvious it becomes that you're unprincipled when you refuse to criticize islam but will spend all day attacking christians, right?

and please no one take this as a defense of christianity. gross.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

lol that's quite the dodge

you realize how obvious it becomes that you're unprincipled when you refuse to criticize islam but will spend all day attacking christians, right?

and please no one take this as a defense of christianity. gross.

I don't spend all day attacking Christianity...? I disdain Islamic fanaticism as much as anyone else, but I think it's totally ignorant to think that US policies didn't play an enormous role in giving people like Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar a powerful voice and endless droves of followers

[redbreegull]

The Christian equivalent of Wahhabists in the US are the lunatic fringe KKK-type militias and such, and people who bomb abortion clinics and stuff like that I guess. Even so, that kind of violent Christian thought is much, much, much more contained and limited throughout the US and most of the world than its Islamic counterpart... so I'm not making any excuses for al-Qaeda or any other Sunni extremists, they are far more batshit than nearly any manifestation of Christianity in 2012. But there is a reason for that, and if you look at the history of the Christian West in the last few centuries versus what has happened to the Islamic world (especially in the way these two spheres have interacted), it's pretty obvious why people there are willing to strap explosives to their chests when some asshole with a fatwa tells him to do so.

[Order 66]

i hate to say it but its partially a racial thing. its just their nature to take things personally.. these are a people who grudgefuck each other over things that happened thousands of years ago. its not just americans. though our international policy is obviously a factor

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I don't spend all day attacking Christianity...? I disdain Islamic fanaticism as much as anyone else, but I think it's totally ignorant to think that US policies didn't play an enormous role in giving people like Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar a powerful voice and endless droves of followers

i didn't say that though

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

i didn't say that though

ok, I misunderstood you. I thought you were arguing that it is wrong to attribute blame for international Islamic terrorism to US policies

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

ok, I misunderstood you. I thought you were arguing that it is wrong to attribute blame for international Islamic terrorism to US policies

No I was saying that Islam is backward and terrible and can provide a legitimizing force for terrible ideas.

[Eulogy]

Let me reiterate that the same can be said of Christianity. Just to be clear.

[redbreegull]

yeah, I mean like anything else, people who want to express love and positivity will find that in Islam, and people who want to kill people can find that in Islam too

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

but mainly, you went after her on that one point, for something you didnt know about. what did you think it was referring to? did you just think it was 100% bullshit?

i thought it was talking about something else.

ok, i just now got to this part of my book lol.

As I thought, it is more nuanced than the thing Starla posted said.

"If a charged defendant invokes his Sixth Amendment right--typically, at an arraignment or other hearing--police officers remain free to approach him and seek a knowing and voluntary waiver. In contrast, if the suspect invokes his Miranda right to counsel--which could only be done when getting Miranda warnings from police officers in the context of custodial interrogation--then there can be no waiver unless the defendant initiates a new conversation with the officers."

Does that really sound so horrifying

I mean I probably would side with the dissenters maaayyyybe but this really isn't nearly as bad as some other decisions. Unless I'm really missing something.

[Eulogy]

reading scalia's opinion more thoroughly now. i despise this man with every fiber of my being but this is pretty much entirely reasonable. there is absolutely nothing to get riled up about.

i can see why pro-defendant liberals (i consider myself to be one) would prefer the rule to be different but we don't need to completely hamstring law enforcement and prosecutors. this is like not even a thing.

[Eulogy]

You Do Not Have The Right To Remain Silent - The Obama Administration actually had the gall to ask "the Supreme Court to overrule long-standing law that stops police from initiating questions unless a defendant's lawyer is present, another stark example of the White House seeking to limit rather than expand rights."

this is a hysterical and unhelpful misrepresentation.

[Trotskilicious]

lol okay

[Eulogy]

to be clear i still would probably side with the dissent. but this would not be anywhere near the top of my list for reforming the criminal justice system.

and what, trots? what is so unspeakably awful about this decision?

[Trotskilicious]

i just feel you're ready to defend the obama administration's misdeeds because of their (sudden) attentiveness to your own pet cause(s)

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i just feel you're ready to defend the obama administration's misdeeds because of their (sudden) attentiveness to your own pet cause(s)

yeah i'm saying a scalia opinion is reasonable because i love obama

the government is the prosecution. this is not a thing at all.

do i need to lay out all of my criticisms of obama for you? i'm not going to bother. i've done it before. you're still so obnoxious.

[Eulogy]

like instead of maybe looking into what the decision says, you just take pot shots. that's your style. ignorant trolling. and somehow it still gets me. congrats.

[Eulogy]

and this is also ignoring the fact that if two justices die with democratic presidents in office, you'd get different decisions that you would prefer!

it's a fundamental misunderstanding of how the branches of government interact with each other and with the criminal justice system. you're out of your depth.

[Eulogy]

ok now i'm actually done.

[Trotskilicious]

i know it's obnoxious when people don't agree with you but what can i do

[redbreegull]

pot kettle