what the fuck

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

Completely presumptuous so as to be laughable and setting the standard that people who spend time on the internet are "materially endowed"...what's your standard redbree? 3rd world peasants?

Why shouldn't this be the standard? You are materially endowed - everyone here is - we have devices that allow us to connect to the internet. Get some perspective.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by duovamp

Then stop voting for corporate scumbags.


Rmoney 2012.

the corporate scumbags own the media > the media perpetuates that there are only two candidates/parties > the parties are in the back pocket of the corporate scumbags > the corporate scumbags own the media > the media perpetuates that there are only two candidates/parties > the parties are in the back pocket of the corporate scumbags > the corporate scumbags own the media > the media perpetuates that there are only two candidates/parties > the parties are in the back pocket of the corporate scumbags >

[duovamp]

Tax their money our of them and remove their clout. Sup den.

[vixnix]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

by "bizarre version of history"...you are referring to my cynicism about the statement "American Exceptionalism is a cruel joke" .


So, If I don't believe that statement, that makes me a believer in a bizarre version of history. Do you realize this is how you're framing your point here?

I was responding to you saying that before the U.S. gave people the chance for upward mobility it didn't happen much elsewhere. That's not my understanding. I think that's a bizarre version of history. Just because you were responding to something rbg said doesn't mean your posts shouldn't have to make sense on their own...

[redbreegull]

If you are totally ignorant, it probably makes sense to believe that the US is the only society in history with upward mobility

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by The Omega Concern

Completely presumptuous so as to be laughable and setting the standard that people who spend time on the internet are "materially endowed"...what's your standard redbree? 3rd world peasants?

you know a lot of people in the US can't afford internet access or a computer, maybe you should invite your head out of your ass more often you ignorant tool

There are these two oceans that do flank the east and west. Those logistics have helped and is innate to America.

First, you were talking about our Constitution and political blueprint
Second, vast natural resources don't equal strong middle class. They equaled very rich super-elite until the late 19th century

What time period you alluding to? These things take generations to unfold.

uh right, and were accomplished in spite of the US government and big industry, not because of it. Historically, Constitutional Rights have very seldom been observed when the government and the rich have an interest in shutting people up.

again, not specific. Define elite and their elite interests and that those interest are separate from the interest of the masses. It would have to ******* the bill of rights which is what allowed the masses too elevate their condition

you don't know shit. How many farmers and beggars and laborers and women and mentally disabled people and non-Christians and slaves led the Revolution? Hmm, interesting. The Revolution was led by lawyers, bankers, politicians, and businessmen, mainly out of economic interests for themselves. That's not to say that none of them had the common man in their thoughts, but to believe that a bunch of noble upper crust political super heroes freed the working person from under the iron heel of the King is totally deluded. These heroic fathers of our country conveniently left the British power infrastructure almost completely intact when management changed. Life for the average person changed little, and it got progressively worse and worse until the labor movements of the second half the 19th century. Again, the Constitution did basically nothing to protect these people.

They did so under the protective rule of the 1st amendment which allows for people to organize without getting arrested. Not to mention the 2nd amendment which restricted the state to align with the barons which would have been a redo of the old british rule: being taxed without being represented and no recourse against the kingdom because they have all the weapons.

if it wasn't so sad, it would be comical that you believe the 1st amendment rights of labor organizers were respected. have you never read a history book? how can you even say something like that with a straight face

really? Nothing to do with the industrial revolution or how this time period was all before the central banking cartel created the fraudulent Federal Reserve and started manipulating fiat currency to their favor ever since?

A rich, affluent, privileged Jew from Russia, with academic lawyer parents by the name of Marx, created it all eh? If not for him, by golly, people would have never figured out they were getting screwed over by predatory capitalist/monopolist who are fundamentally no different than marxist who wish no competition to their ideas. That's why they fashion dictatorships.

aaaaaand that's a wrap, omega concern still doesn't know what communism is and believes capitalism spawned a fight for labor rights, which is something he is actually statedly against, bringing his ideological inconsistency full circle

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

If you are totally ignorant, it probably makes sense to believe that the US is the only society in history with upward mobility

I don't know if anyone's talking about it being the only society in history with upward mobility, but it historically certainly towers above the rest. The US earned its reputation for the land of opportunity, even if structurally it's not as easy to get as far ahead now because people are beginning to lay foundations for wealth that are more difficult to overcome.

By comparison, the upward mobility in the US is quite remarkable. And even if structurally it might not be as easy relative to other countries, the difference is a society where people genuinely believe they have this kind of head room, where people genuinely think that enough hard work can make them millionaires. Populations from other countries think it's unbelievable that Americans can think this way, and I mean that in a positive sense.

People don't yearn to come to the US so badly because they heard it's easy to be poor here... Take Magnus Walker for example. He came from Sheffield, where people "get stuck,", arrived in the US with hardly any education at all and just a book bag on his back. He started making money buying and selling secondhand clothing on the boardwalk. Now he owns a hell of a Porsche collection. You think he'd do this anywhere else? In his own words, he got to the US and "the grass really is greener on the other side."

[redbreegull]

do you know the definition of "myth"

[duovamp]

Are you trying to act like a teenager, or are you just a teenager?

[duovamp]

I mean if you've never been outside of the US and you're an angsty teen, then sure I'd probably have your perspective.

[Shawn Osmond]

Wow, redbreegull is fucking nuts. I feel like packing him into the back of my Acura and throwing him off a fucking bridge.

What's really pathetic is that liberalism used to be structurally defined and defended by people like D Patrick Moynihan and Oliver Wendell Holmes, who could speak and write about it in a way that was very convincing to someone who would be considered a middle of the road type.

Now we have people like redbreegull, obamaphone lady, and Joe Biden....all people who just go flapping their big fucking nigger lips all day long without putting together a single cohesive thought or even know what true liberalism is. And then they wonder why common sense, apolitical people don't go rallying around whatever the hell it is they are whining about on any given day.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by duovamp

I mean if you've never been outside of the US and you're an angsty teen, then sure I'd probably have your perspective.

your perspective is straight out of a tenth grade civics class. please tell me what developing countries you have been to that showed you the US allows for more class mobility than any society in history? The rise of the bourgeois/merchant and middle class began in Europe in like the fourteenth fucking century. Thomas Jefferson didn't wave his sonic screwdriver and conjure up a method of destroying the evil aristocracy of Europe. What we have today is a natural extension of the process of empowering progressively lower and lower classes of people, which began in Europe in the age of the fucking magna carta

[vixnix]

is duo trolling or what.

[redbreegull]

he is generally liberal, but has in the past shown some conservativish nationalistic tendencies

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by duovamp

Take Magnus Walker for example. He came from Sheffield, where people "get stuck,", arrived in the US with hardly any education at all and just a book bag on his back. He started making money buying and selling secondhand clothing on the boardwalk. Now he owns a hell of a Porsche collection. You think he'd do this anywhere else? In his own words, he got to the US and "the grass really is greener on the other side."

this one always gets me. here, let me share with you this piece of anecdotal evidence that portrays an extraordinarily unlikely and atypical rise to success and you should be convinced that this is the norm