vee pee announcement pre-celebration thread

[Order 66]

nate silver seems to think the importance of a running mate is overstated but i don't think that applies to this election when people hate both candidates and want "somebody else" and they'll be dumb enough to ignore the top of the ticket this time.

anyway he says VP picks help their home states by about 2% on average then he lists the candidates favorability, then an average of which one would cause each outcome in the electoral college (but this ignores what effect each candidate would have on other states. i for one would think rubio would add more than just FL EVs)

[Order 66]

btw for the sake of leaving no stone left unturned, there's also murmurs of cathy mcmorris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_McMorris_Rodgers

people seem to keep passing that name up

[JokeyLoki]

No one gives a crap about the VP when they vote, so who cares.

[Trotskilicious]

how soon we forget

[Trotskilicious]

that was supposed to be red

[Trotskilicious]

bobby jindal is perfect, actually. he's dumb but he's veep so who cares and also Mitt can be like "so who's the real racists?"

[JokeyLoki]

Joe Biden is a fucking moron, but that didn't stop anyone from voting for Obama....

[Trotskilicious]

yes well that wasn't what you said originally

[Future Boy]

shes right anyhow

[Future Boy]

I think Ryan may be his best move.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by Order 66

i think romney could throw a curve ball and carpet bomb michigan or wisconson in the final month or two. or in colorado (but that'd be more expected since its a known 'swing state')

but yeah i don't know why they don't seem nervous when theres such a narrow path in the electoral college. makes me think they're going to throw another hail mary veep this time or go with rubio but the romney campaign seems like they operate in a bubble so i can see them going with pawlenty or some shit and think its a solid choice

I dont see why they should be panicking. If he starts doing worse in the swings maybe.

[Order 66]

but obama's ahead in every swing state right now. of course he won't win them all but that should be troubling when obama can lose vital states like ohio and florida and virginia and still eke his way to 272 votes (kerry states plus iowa, new mexico and colorado, which because of demographic changes since 2004 are more or less safe in the democrat column now)

i'm not saying anybody should PANIC but i don't get a sense from RNC ground troops i know personally and conservatives in general that romney's path to winning is narrow as it is. it seems like a modern dewey vs. truman to me but at a somewhat lesser extent

[Future Boy]

Guess I'm just not sure how much of this matters until after the convention. Everything seen so far seems fairly lame to me.

edit: lame in terms of lasting damage to either side

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

shes right anyhow

you know just because mccain lost doesn't mean that people weren't fired up by the snowbilly

[Future Boy]

yeah, but ultimately she didnt really matter

[Future Boy]

except to political tourists like krazystacey who think she cost him the election

[Order 66]

it would've been considerably closer if it werent for the lehman collapse. mccain was behind throughout the entire election except for the time he announced the pick up to the sept 13th crash

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

yeah, but ultimately she didnt really matter

well the tide was definitely against the GOP

i don't think it's impossible to think that a character not unlike sarah palin could push a milquetoast republican over the top

[duovamp]

She was a Hail Mary. John McCain was in a position to lose, so he had no reason not to take a big risk.

In theory she was a decent pick, however she had nothing valuable to offer to the McCain/conservative message, and her lack of experience shone brighter than Barack's.

[scottytheoneand]

there is no theory on earth where she is a decent pick for a general election in 50 states. she had no experience (at at time when McCain was saying his opponent had no experience). she was a bad public speaker. she came from a state with very few electoral votes and few big money doners. there were other wingnutz that could have carried water for Walnuts McCain and done a better job of it.

[Order 66]

she was a bright shiny object and thats all they needed. until the economic reality reared its head

[redbreegull]

Joe Biden is not a moron. jokeyloki what do you know about joe biden other than his propensity towards saying things he shouldn't?

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

there is no theory on earth where she is a decent pick for a general election in 50 states.

you're not listening you're just fucking talking

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

Joe Biden is not a moron.

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Delano Roosevelt got on television..."

i mean there's three things wrong with that statement

its historical error per word ratio has to be some kind of record

[Future Boy]

Bidens awesome. Just a bit of a fool sometimes.

[scottytheoneand]

Originally Posted by Order 66

she was a bright shiny object and thats all they needed. until the economic reality reared its head

she was bad from day one. and her selection as a running mate made Walnuts McCain look like a jack ass.

it wasn't just the economy that sank him. it was a combination of things that made for a poorly run campaign. Namely that he was unable to move the focus of the election away from a referendum on 8 years of republican rule.

even if the economy hadn't tanked when it did he wouldn't have beat Obama with the campaign he was running. People were fed the fuck up with Bush and the republican party. And McCain looked like a tired old out of touch man who couldn't even staff his own campaign with qualified people

[Future Boy]

Hope he's not the 2016 pick

[Future Boy]

You know Scot you're so wrong some times its amazing.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

Bidens awesome.

nah handsome joe is cool but that's some certified hilarious dumb shit

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

You know Scot you're so wrong some times its amazing.

how come he's not on tv with dick morris