Machina Reissue

[teh b0lly!!1]

:Popcorn:

[teh b0lly!!1]

what kind of a sick joke is this

[teh b0lly!!1]

:APOPCORN:

[teh b0lly!!1]

[Zerospaced]

Originally Posted by killtrocity

can u post a bigger pic of that chick under your name plz

[Araneae]

Originally Posted by slunken

no it was pretty fucking stupid

He talks shit yet doesn't like it when he's challenged about his opinions. I don't think re-releasing the back catalogue is a sellout move yet I thought it was nice to see a journalist try to broach the topic of selling-out and Billy's own hypocrisies. Although the journalist should have picked a better example to call him on it.

[scottytheoneand]

Originally Posted by Zerospaced

is there a pic that shows all of that tattoo?

[duovamp]

God I wish.

[RenewRevive]

Billy's still defending Zeitgeist though. ah, so he isn't 100% happy with it, not because the album kind of sucks ass, more because of the unasked-for expectation that we (the fans) put on it not being SD 2. however in this case Billy + Jimmy in a room is clearly not > 99% of music anymore. that kind of arrogant attitude is how we ended up with a bust like Zeitgeist. apparently, no-one except Billy can judge whether it was successful or not! and the album was apparently a sparse, metallic record, dark and lean: i'd like to hear him describe how this applies to most of it. Pomp, God + Country etc? it is slathered in production gimmickry. can one interviewer actually ask him, before i die, what the fuck is up with the horrible vocals? the studio engineer who posted on here before the album hit the stores called it right: good music, god-awful vocals. how can Billy not see this - with 5 years distance to add perspective?

worrying (for Oceania) that he's listening to GLOW and comparing it to MCIS and Machina. big surprise: it is on the list of potential live songs for the new tour. play Here is No Why, it is at least a billion times better than fucking GLOW, which pretty much no-one attending a show wants to hear. but of course Corgan doesn't want to be confined by fan expectations, so of course he won't play a great song that hasn't been heard live since '96 and will instead play a routine staple of recent tours. sigh.

[scottytheoneand]

It's not his art. It's the audience.

[aztec litany service]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

sounds intriguing
i've always wondered if machina's unlikable sound resulted from bad recording or bad mixing
guess we'll find out

bad effects it seemed like. or too many overdubs of a sort of guitar tone that didn't lend itself so well to that treatment, or...something.
i'd like to hear a 'less-produced' mix of it. way less effects or at least different effects on the vocals. but what really matters is getting a digital master [of the remaining machina 2 songs] from the master tape, and not from a fucking test record or whatever it was he pressed. while it didn't seem to help slow dawn all that much, i thought lucky 13 and real love sounded pretty good [rotten apples/judas 0]

[dean_r_koontz]

there are no good riffs on it or anything with much musical power, i think he tried to hide it behind all the fuzziness or whatever it is that sounds so terrible.

[dean_r_koontz]

the guy wrote the songs in two weeks ffs. what can u expect

[emilem]

i like the idea of having the machina album presented in the 2LP format it was suppose to come out. sadly i also feel this is so much DIE HARD fans thing that it will get smashed by press/non-fans either way and billy will moan and moan.

moan and moan.

[Raskolnikov]

Originally Posted by emilem

i like the idea of having the machina album presented in the 2LP format it was suppose to come out. sadly i also feel this is so much DIE HARD fans thing that it will get smashed by press/non-fans either way and billy will moan and moan.

Yeah, it really is going to be a diehard fan product. I just hope it actually comes to fruition... it was easily the coolest concept from the big "remasters are coming!" announcement a year or so ago.

[Cade McNown]

I think Smashing Pumpkins music, my music, fits in quite well with that because if you get bored with one part of me [there is another].

This is why the pumpkins are my favorite band.

[ciGarski]

you guys who think you're going to see Machina remixed or remastered are funny.




HAHAHAHAHA

[amoergosum]

...such a beautiful song.



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1999:

[Shallowed]

Home is one of my favourite SP songs ever.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Shallowed

Home is one of my favourite SP songs ever.

You mean your favorite Simon & Garfunkle songs?

[Shallowed]

Never heard of that band, what're they like?

[redbreegull]

they're basically a rip off of the last five songs on mcis

[houseofglass11]

I like Machina I & II a lot, but imagine how much better these records would have sounded with Butch Vig or someone else producing. Flood was clearly not the best as producing a rock band with heavy guitars and a monster drummer.

[Sonic Johnny]

he did a shit job with the guitars but I thought Jimmy sounded pretty badass on most of Machina . Drums in TEG rip hard no matter which way you cut it.

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Shallowed

Never heard of that band, what're they like?

They sound like the part in Home where Corgan completely ripped them off.

[dustrock]

You're talking about Fleet Foxes?

[Sonic Johnny]

Yep, Billy was definitely ripping off Fleet Foxes in 2000

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

You mean your favorite Simon & Garfunkle songs?

*Garfunkel

[RenewRevive]

* Carbuncle

[opera de nuit]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Flood was clearly not the best as producing a rock band with heavy guitars and a monster drummer.

yeah, flood's talent is mixing guitars and synths/programming (NIN, mute records, curve). most of his pure guitar records sound about as muffled as MCIS/machina (to bring you my love, nick cave, songs of faith and devotion). not a bad thing necessarily, but not his strongest efforts on the decks.