Do you think trip hop will ever be looked at in the same way as jazz?

Catherine Wheel · 11-06-2011, 04:11 AM

Will it be a genre that will stand the test of time and be given a lot of respect? Or will it remain relatively obscure?

redbreegull · 11-06-2011, 04:21 AM

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mellon_c0llie · 11-06-2011, 09:21 AM

Jazz was really radical at the time because it broke all the rules, like every round of pop music that followed. When the kids started getting into Rock 'n Roll there were die hard Jazz fans who would not let go. Jazz was that generations rebellious music. It belonged to them. Trip-hop will always belong to the people who loved it the most BUT because of the multitude of different music styles prevalent in the 1990's and early 2000's the percentage of the population that experienced Trip-Hop and loved Trip-Hop will be less than those who were Jazz enthusiasts. Therefore Jazz has lasting value because of it's audience and cultural impact. There were always be Jazz purists and those Jazz purists will be replaced by 90's grunge purists, techno enthusiasts, and Trip-Hop fanatics. Because of the specificity of the genre the intensity of the potential fanbase is fractured.

Mooney · 11-06-2011, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mellon_c0llie

There were always be Jazz purists and those Jazz purists will be replaced by 90's grunge purists

lala · 11-06-2011, 10:33 AM

Jazz from Fresh Prince? Dj Jazzy Jeff?

mellon_c0llie · 11-06-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mooney

sorry.

What I meant was that there will always be someone to fill that void, whether it be 90's grunge enthusiasts or new wave fans or people who just wont let disco die.

smashingjj · 11-06-2011, 12:47 PM

redbreegull · 11-06-2011, 01:41 PM

basically media and art have become extremely fractured and specialized. No one has to tap into the mainstream of pop thought anymore to find music if they don't want. I can find outlets and venues to hear whatever kind of music I already want to hear.

slunken · 11-06-2011, 03:32 PM

hip hop is looked at with the same reverance as jazz. talking exclusively about a sub-genre is irrelevant.

supermaid · 11-06-2011, 03:50 PM

tricky question

redbreegull · 11-06-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by slunken

hip hop is looked at with the same reverance as jazz. talking exclusively about a sub-genre is irrelevant.

I mean jazz has become a "culturally canonized" art form. You can go to public school and learn to play jazz music. Hip hop has not crossed that boundary yet, probably because it is still relevant to young people

TuralyonW3 · 11-06-2011, 04:03 PM

Good 'ol Catherine Wheel.

And if you're asking will "trip-hop" ever be a household term like "jazz" then no of course not.

Dogfighter28 · 11-06-2011, 04:10 PM

trip hop reynolds

slunken · 11-06-2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

Hip hop has not crossed that boundary yet,

i think it has

duovamp · 11-06-2011, 05:34 PM

What the fuck do high school kids listen to now?

slunken · 11-06-2011, 05:42 PM

THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE OFF IN THE DISTANCE

redbreegull · 11-06-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by slunken

i think it has

rock music has been around ~twice as long as hip hop and it still is not really close to entering the public psychology as a "highbrow" art form the way jazz has, and hip hop is even less so

Euronomus · 11-06-2011, 06:30 PM

I've always considered trip-hop as an extension of jazz. IMHO It's far more related to it than to hip-hop musically.

Trotskilicious · 11-07-2011, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by slunken

hip hop is looked at with the same reverance as jazz.

no it's not

there's still plenty of people that hate it because they don't understand it

Trotskilicious · 11-07-2011, 02:47 AM

I actually do hate jazz though but how many people other than me and Vince Noir say that out loud?

Jazz is sooooo not punk rock.

samuel redman · 11-07-2011, 09:45 AM

jazz will always be a bitch to play

therefore i cannot dislike it

myosis · 11-07-2011, 10:23 PM

Catherine Wheel why don't you stick to shoegaze records, k?

Catherine Wheel · 11-07-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Euronomus

I've always considered trip-hop as an extension of jazz. IMHO It's far more related to it than to hip-hop musically.

Some trip hop artists like Jay Jay Johanson, Thievery Corporation, Zero 7, and Portishead definitely have a jazz feel to them. I like trip hop and jazz for some of the same reasons. The experimental nature of both. The mellowness.

bahnzah · 11-08-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

I actually do hate jazz though but how many people other than me and Vince Noir say that out loud?

Jazz is sooooo not punk rock.

jazz is about as punk as it gets.

Trotskilicious · 11-08-2011, 01:15 AM

free form wankery is very un punk

11-06-2011, 04:11 AM	#1
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,321	Do you think trip hop will ever be looked at in the same way as jazz? Will it be a genre that will stand the test of time and be given a lot of respect? Or will it remain relatively obscure?

11-06-2011, 12:47 PM	#7
smashingjj that person Location: LOL Party Centre Posts: 35,608	yes

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11-06-2011, 04:21 AM	#2
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,021	I think that bloefhw;nfewnnwf;eijfiljfeijawglk'fmrafiono;wtc;u3 ;ht;hguhuhueuhu2898h3dqcuinin[fuikpc'.1@E?!@. wqkoj;JIHEUHIHKENwfndkjfniovori38th4o7fnr

11-06-2011, 09:21 AM	#3
mellon_c0llie Minion of Jesus Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 564	Jazz was really radical at the time because it broke all the rules, like every round of pop music that followed. When the kids started getting into Rock 'n Roll there were die hard Jazz fans who would not let go. Jazz was that generations rebellious music. It belonged to them. Trip-hop will always belong to the people who loved it the most BUT because of the multitude of different music styles prevalent in the 1990's and early 2000's the percentage of the population that experienced Trip-Hop and loved Trip-Hop will be less than those who were Jazz enthusiasts. Therefore Jazz has lasting value because of it's audience and cultural impact. There were always be Jazz purists and those Jazz purists will be replaced by 90's grunge purists, techno enthusiasts, and Trip-Hop fanatics. Because of the specificity of the genre the intensity of the potential fanbase is fractured.

11-06-2011, 10:33 AM	#5
lala Banned Location: SPoceania Posts: 915	Jazz from Fresh Prince? Dj Jazzy Jeff?

11-06-2011, 01:41 PM	#8
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: WILD BOY Posts: 32,021	basically media and art have become extremely fractured and specialized. No one has to tap into the mainstream of pop thought anymore to find music if they don't want. I can find outlets and venues to hear whatever kind of music I already want to hear.

11-06-2011, 03:32 PM	#9
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	hip hop is looked at with the same reverance as jazz. talking exclusively about a sub-genre is irrelevant.

11-06-2011, 03:50 PM	#10
supermaid Pledge Location: how can you hate on that ending when all the trumpets and tubas come in Posts: 139	tricky question

11-06-2011, 04:03 PM	#12
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,567	Good 'ol Catherine Wheel. And if you're asking will "trip-hop" ever be a household term like "jazz" then no of course not.

11-06-2011, 04:10 PM	#13
Dogfighter28 ILL KILL UR DOG Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,358	trip hop reynolds

11-06-2011, 05:34 PM	#15
duovamp Brazilian Blouselord Location: heavy metal pool party Posts: 35,674	What the fuck do high school kids listen to now?

11-06-2011, 05:42 PM	#16
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE OFF IN THE DISTANCE

11-06-2011, 06:30 PM	#18
Euronomus Demi-God Posts: 308	I've always considered trip-hop as an extension of jazz. IMHO It's far more related to it than to hip-hop musically.

11-07-2011, 02:47 AM	#20
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	I actually do hate jazz though but how many people other than me and Vince Noir say that out loud? Jazz is sooooo not punk rock.

11-07-2011, 09:45 AM	#21
samuel redman Apocalyptic Poster Location: You're 22 why aren't you free?You're 22 why aren't you free? you're mom and daddy's victory Posts: 4,876	jazz will always be a bitch to play therefore i cannot dislike it

11-07-2011, 10:23 PM	#22
myosis Minion of Satan Location: the institute Posts: 6,431	Catherine Wheel why don't you stick to shoegaze records, k?

11-08-2011, 01:15 AM	#25
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	free form wankery is very un punk