copyright is obsolete

reprise85 · 11-01-2011, 01:29 PM

...or is becoming so. Agree/Disagree?

Euronomus · 11-01-2011, 03:25 PM

needs to be redefined.

??? · 11-01-2011, 04:01 PM

i agree and disagree. since our culture is moving towards a technological singularity and a sort of global socialist political model, where the individual ownership of property will likely become a thing of the past, i think the idea of intellectual property will probably be phased out as well, or at least redefined as euronomus said. its just inevitable. not to say that people in the future will outright forget great thinkers, inventors, writers, artists; but everyone should be free to adapt others' ideas without arbitrary constraints. and existentially, i find the idea of such territorial pissings naive and ultimately futile- a great invention or artistic work will be remembered long after its creator's name has faded into obscurity.

on the other hand, as a creative mind (musician) i find myself thinking that there should be some security against plagiarism, but less out of monetary concern, and more in the interests of preserving the aesthetic value of great artistic works against those who would remake, interpolate, reimagine or otherwise adapt it in bad taste. (for example, shameless cash-in remakes of classic movies.) but that's just my view on the artistic side of things. the importance of scientific discoveries and inventions that benefit humanity immediately transcend any possessive notions their discoverers have towards them and should be available to all.

redbull · 11-01-2011, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euronomus

needs to be redefined.

this

redbreegull · 11-01-2011, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euronomus

needs to be redefined.

yes

reprise85 · 06:17 PM

Isle, I agree with the notion of wanting some ownership of my artistic work, not because of money but because they were created by my unique person and is essentially and extension of myself.

I also agree and see it is a possible growth opportunity to be happy with my work as an anonymous person or an unknown... everyone wants credit but ultimately it's about the actual art. This is a different topic though.

reprise85 · 06:09 PM

So how exactly can copyright be redefined in these times? Is it even possible without some huge full-scale internet policing (which is not a popular idea and would definitely be a step backwards)? Not that that would even work, since this is bigger than the internet at this point.

I know I'm not contributing much here... but I really can't see a lot of ways to stop the inevitable in this situation.

Eulogy · 11-01-2011, 06:01 PM

i don't get what you guys are saying

people won't have the right to make money off of things they create anymore?

reprise85 · 11-01-2011, 06:14 PM

More that with information as it is now anyone is able to redistribute intellectual property like music for example, and during this process yes the artist is losing money - but their output is likely being changed by things like making MP3s of their work, distributing it without their name, etc. There is basically no way to stop this now, especially for working artists.

Everything is basically fair game now for anyone to get (games, music, books, other people's ideas passed of as their own, etc) and everything is convoluted and distorted - kind of like worldwide game of "telephone". I don't think this is necessarily bad but certainly the internet and other technology is speeding up this process.

Dead Frequency · 11-01-2011, 08:18 PM

SuckSuckStyle · 11-02-2011, 01:35 AM

yup.

i keep my real shit on pen and paper.

Order 66 · 11-02-2011, 01:50 AM

crystal castles was caught in the act. the system STILL WORKS

Sarcastic Smile · 11-02-2011, 02:49 AM

patents in the biotechnology field are starting to irritate me.. genes and enzymes? really?

Eulogy · 11-02-2011, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarcastic Smile

patents in the biotechnology field are starting to irritate me.. genes and enzymes? really?

i don't know anything about any of this, but just intuitively, if you want private investments to encourage biotech research, don't you need to have the motivation of substantial potential profit?

Nimrod's Son · 11-02-2011, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ???

the individual ownership of property will likely become a thing of the past

oh kids and their idealistic dreams

slunken · 11-02-2011, 01:07 PM

my g/f won't let me post pictures she took on my tumblr.

yo soy el mejor · 11-02-2011, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken

my g/f won't let me post pictures she took on my tumblr.

this isn't a copyright issue so much as your gf being a biatch. dtmfa.

slunken · 11-02-2011, 01:50 PM

i suggested she put giant digital watermarks on all her photos anyway just to be safe. i even offered to design a logo.

slunken · 11-02-2011, 01:51 PM

No one likes to get ripped off and no one wants to feel cheated – I don’t care who you are.

Question: Do you host your images on popular photo sharing sites like Flickr or Facebook? If you answered yes and you do not take a moment to brand or watermark your photos you are running the risk of having your images stolen.

The topic of this post started with a question asked by my friend Devon. He asked if I could address the pros and cons of watermarking or branding self published photos. Thanks, great subject for discussion.

CONS

Aesthetics: If you are not strategic with the placement and size of the watermark or branding it may take away from the image. When placing a watermark, copyright line or logo make sure it doesn’t draw the viewer’s eye away from the subject and screw with the composition. The perception of the value of the photo to a prospective client can be lessened if you are not careful with placement.

After giving it much thought this is the only con I see when when it comes to this topic.

PROS

The list of pros far outweigh the cons. For starters, people will know who took the photo and subsequently who owns its rights. If you ******* simple things like the copyright year and your website (or wherever your portfolio can be seen) it tells the viewer how old the photo is and where they can see more of your work. As photographers I believe it is our responsibility to make things as easy as possible for clients to get the information they need.

Another reason to brand your photos falls under the lines as the second point – properly branded photos will increase traffic to your websites.

Personally, I prefer a branding line over a watermark that covers up the image. Although a watermark is harder to delete and photoshop out of an image, aesthetically it’s horrid. I use a simple two line branding mark that includes my website and the copyright date. (I know that in some cases this can be cropped out and removed but after giving it some thought I’m ok with taking that risk to preserve the integrity of the photograph.)

HOW TO BRAND A PHOTO

Here is a simple overview of how I brand my photos. I process my photos in Aperture and after I make my adjustments I export the image to a work in progress folder. From here I will open the exported file in photoshop, open my .psd branding file and drag it on top of the photo. After I give placement careful thought and consideration I save the file. I will then import the altered file back into Aperture and stack the native image with the branded image (in Aperture stacking allows me to view thumbnails of the photos I use.) The last step is publishing the photograph to the platform of my choice.

My .psd branding mark is comprised of white text on a transparent background. (Download my branding mark and alter it with your own text by clicking here.)

How do you handle branding your photographs and watermarks? Leave a comment and let’s discuss…

To view my complete photography portfolio please visit www.grtaylor2photo.com

11-01-2011, 01:29 PM	#1
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	copyright is obsolete ...or is becoming so. Agree/Disagree?

11-01-2011, 05:51 PM	#6
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	Isle, I agree with the notion of wanting some ownership of my artistic work, not because of money but because they were created by my unique person and is essentially and extension of myself. I also agree and see it is a possible growth opportunity to be happy with my work as an anonymous person or an unknown... everyone wants credit but ultimately it's about the actual art. This is a different topic though. Last edited by reprise85 : 11-01-2011 at 06:17 PM.

11-01-2011, 05:54 PM	#7
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	So how exactly can copyright be redefined in these times? Is it even possible without some huge full-scale internet policing (which is not a popular idea and would definitely be a step backwards)? Not that that would even work, since this is bigger than the internet at this point. I know I'm not contributing much here... but I really can't see a lot of ways to stop the inevitable in this situation. Last edited by reprise85 : 11-01-2011 at 06:09 PM.

11-01-2011, 08:18 PM	#10
Dead Frequency Minion of Satan Location: They don't know who did it, but they're looking for hardened criminals Posts: 5,960	EULA

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11-01-2011, 03:25 PM	#2
Euronomus Demi-God Posts: 308	needs to be redefined.

11-01-2011, 04:01 PM	#3
??? Minion of Satan Location: ¯\(º_o)/¯ Posts: 8,660	i agree and disagree. since our culture is moving towards a technological singularity and a sort of global socialist political model, where the individual ownership of property will likely become a thing of the past, i think the idea of intellectual property will probably be phased out as well, or at least redefined as euronomus said. its just inevitable. not to say that people in the future will outright forget great thinkers, inventors, writers, artists; but everyone should be free to adapt others' ideas without arbitrary constraints. and existentially, i find the idea of such territorial pissings naive and ultimately futile- a great invention or artistic work will be remembered long after its creator's name has faded into obscurity. on the other hand, as a creative mind (musician) i find myself thinking that there should be some security against plagiarism, but less out of monetary concern, and more in the interests of preserving the aesthetic value of great artistic works against those who would remake, interpolate, reimagine or otherwise adapt it in bad taste. (for example, shameless cash-in remakes of classic movies.) but that's just my view on the artistic side of things. the importance of scientific discoveries and inventions that benefit humanity immediately transcend any possessive notions their discoverers have towards them and should be available to all.

11-01-2011, 06:01 PM	#8
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,362	i don't get what you guys are saying people won't have the right to make money off of things they create anymore?

11-01-2011, 06:14 PM	#9
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	More that with information as it is now anyone is able to redistribute intellectual property like music for example, and during this process yes the artist is losing money - but their output is likely being changed by things like making MP3s of their work, distributing it without their name, etc. There is basically no way to stop this now, especially for working artists. Everything is basically fair game now for anyone to get (games, music, books, other people's ideas passed of as their own, etc) and everything is convoluted and distorted - kind of like worldwide game of "telephone". I don't think this is necessarily bad but certainly the internet and other technology is speeding up this process.

11-02-2011, 01:35 AM	#11
SuckSuckStyle Socialphobic Location: you look like you like to hang out. you look like you like to hang out and drink soda Posts: 12,677	yup. i keep my real shit on pen and paper.

11-02-2011, 01:50 AM	#12
Order 66 Socialphobic Posts: 11,883	crystal castles was caught in the act. the system STILL WORKS

11-02-2011, 02:49 AM	#13
Sarcastic Smile Amish Rake Fighter Location: I fuck in my spare time, this is what I do at work you dumb bitch.-esty Posts: 3,671	patents in the biotechnology field are starting to irritate me.. genes and enzymes? really?

11-02-2011, 01:07 PM	#16
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	my g/f won't let me post pictures she took on my tumblr.

11-02-2011, 01:50 PM	#18
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	i suggested she put giant digital watermarks on all her photos anyway just to be safe. i even offered to design a logo.

11-02-2011, 01:51 PM	#19
slunken Virgo Posts: 39,745	No one likes to get ripped off and no one wants to feel cheated – I don’t care who you are. Question: Do you host your images on popular photo sharing sites like Flickr or Facebook? If you answered yes and you do not take a moment to brand or watermark your photos you are running the risk of having your images stolen. The topic of this post started with a question asked by my friend Devon. He asked if I could address the pros and cons of watermarking or branding self published photos. Thanks, great subject for discussion. CONS Aesthetics: If you are not strategic with the placement and size of the watermark or branding it may take away from the image. When placing a watermark, copyright line or logo make sure it doesn’t draw the viewer’s eye away from the subject and screw with the composition. The perception of the value of the photo to a prospective client can be lessened if you are not careful with placement. After giving it much thought this is the only con I see when when it comes to this topic. PROS The list of pros far outweigh the cons. For starters, people will know who took the photo and subsequently who owns its rights. If you ******* simple things like the copyright year and your website (or wherever your portfolio can be seen) it tells the viewer how old the photo is and where they can see more of your work. As photographers I believe it is our responsibility to make things as easy as possible for clients to get the information they need. Another reason to brand your photos falls under the lines as the second point – properly branded photos will increase traffic to your websites. Personally, I prefer a branding line over a watermark that covers up the image. Although a watermark is harder to delete and photoshop out of an image, aesthetically it’s horrid. I use a simple two line branding mark that includes my website and the copyright date. (I know that in some cases this can be cropped out and removed but after giving it some thought I’m ok with taking that risk to preserve the integrity of the photograph.) HOW TO BRAND A PHOTO Here is a simple overview of how I brand my photos. I process my photos in Aperture and after I make my adjustments I export the image to a work in progress folder. From here I will open the exported file in photoshop, open my .psd branding file and drag it on top of the photo. After I give placement careful thought and consideration I save the file. I will then import the altered file back into Aperture and stack the native image with the branded image (in Aperture stacking allows me to view thumbnails of the photos I use.) The last step is publishing the photograph to the platform of my choice. My .psd branding mark is comprised of white text on a transparent background. (Download my branding mark and alter it with your own text by clicking here.) How do you handle branding your photographs and watermarks? Leave a comment and let’s discuss… To view my complete photography portfolio please visit www.grtaylor2photo.com