questions for rottenugly

dean_r_koontz · 09-23-2011, 03:10 PM

you planning on getting a drivers license son?

rottenugly · 09-23-2011, 03:11 PM

In a year or two.

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 03:13 PM

This has the potential to turn very creepy.

rottenugly · 09-23-2011, 03:14 PM

How so.

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 03:15 PM

Don't worry, I'm sure someone will show us all how to do it right.

dean_r_koontz · 09-23-2011, 03:20 PM

you're the kind of person who runs to the social services aren't you reprise.

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 03:23 PM

yeah you got me

work for me, peons. i'm enjoying my awesome life on disability and living on $900 a month. it's such an adventure!

oops, got a bit personal there did i

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 03:28 PM

AstraZeneca is even going to give me free Seroquel so I don't go crazy again, since I can't afford it! Livin the life

Nimrod's Son · 09-23-2011, 03:55 PM

why are you on disability

dean_r_koontz · 09-23-2011, 03:55 PM

she's pretending to be "mentally ill" instead of getting some sunshine.

dean_r_koontz · 09-23-2011, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reprise85

yeah you got me

work for me, peons. i'm enjoying my awesome life on disability and living on $900 a month. it's such an adventure!

oops, got a bit personal there did i

i was talking about my relationship with rottenugly. people are very judgmental these days.

Nimrod's Son · 09-23-2011, 04:09 PM

mentally ill people should either be locked in an institution or free but not scamming off the government

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dean_r_koontz

she's pretending to be "mentally ill" instead of getting some sunshine.

Yeah I'm "mentally ill". I'm only just getting stable enough to start looking for a job. I was 24/7 suicidal for about two years and barely left my house. Lots of therapy later, and medication combos, things are finally starting to work. I worked from 18-23 but haven't since then, about two and a half years.

Damn, it has been that long.

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

mentally ill people should either be locked in an institution or free but not scamming off the government

Serious questions.

You believe I am scamming the government then?

Do you realize it would cost more to institutionalize me, and then I'd have practically zero chance of ever becoming a normal part of society and contributing?

And you realize I had no choice in this to be sick in the head. Biology and of course nurture has fostered this in me. As long as I am doing the best I can to once again rejoin society when I am able (which like I said is recently starting to happen), I really don't see how you can have no empathy or understanding on how some people need help and should not be thrown in the trash.

dean_r_koontz · 09-23-2011, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reprise85

Serious questions.

You believe I am scamming the government then?

Do you realize it would cost more to institutionalize me, and then I'd have practically zero chance of ever becoming a normal part of society and contributing?

And you realize I had no choice in this to be sick in the head. Biology and of course nurture has fostered this in me. As long as I am doing the best I can to once again rejoin society when I am able (which like I said is recently starting to happen), I really don't see how you can have no empathy or understanding on how some people need help and should not be thrown in the trash.

he wants you to die.

Nimrod's Son · 09-23-2011, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reprise85

Serious questions.

You believe I am scamming the government then?

I think you are taking advantage of something that shouldn't exist

Quote:

Do you realize it would cost more to institutionalize me, and then I'd have practically zero chance of ever becoming a normal part of society and contributing?

It costs more to put people in prison too. Maybe we should let everyone free and give them all monthly checks instead

Quote:

And you realize I had no choice in this to be sick in the head. Biology and of course nurture has fostered this in me. As long as I am doing the best I can to once again rejoin society when I am able (which like I said is recently starting to happen), I really don't see how you can have no empathy or understanding on how some people need help and should not be thrown in the trash.

i didn't say the trash, i said a hospital. that's where sick people go.

dean_r_koontz · 09-23-2011, 04:32 PM

well he wants you to catch some sunshine and feel better but if you don't want to do that...

Eulogy · 09-23-2011, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

I think you are taking advantage of something that shouldn't exist

You don't think social security disability benefits should exist?

Presumably because of the cost? but then you want to spend more?

you really are just trolling now aren't you

reprise85 · 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

I think you are taking advantage of something that shouldn't exist
It costs more to put people in prison too. Maybe we should let everyone free and give them all monthly checks instead

i didn't say the trash, i said a hospital. that's where sick people go.

Yeah but see, I didn't commit a crime and therefore, if I am not a harm to anyone else, I shouldn't be locked up. It's as simple as that. It just so happens to ALSO cost way more money. Psych hospitals go upwards of $1500/day. Even say it was $50 a day. It's really a no brainer as well as the right thing to do.

And long term state hospitals are the garbage can of society. Luckily we don't still dump everyone mentally different there and perform lobotomies against their will. It is considered barbaric and so it should, and so is long term captivity for someone who has done nothing wrong. And it IS captivity, any way someone wants to slice it.

State hospitals are for the worst of the worst who have no chance of recovery and are not safe to be in public. Also, most people in state facilities have committed crimes and are innocent by reason of insanity or unfit to stand trial. You really think I belong with those people?

You actually think disability should not exist at all? What about blind people? Paraplegics? Do you actually interact with people on a deeper level where you can see that there's nothing black and white about human morality?

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 05:47 PM

People don't come out of state hospitals btw; it's very rare. And only psychotic people tend to get better with long term hospitalization; people with mood disorders and/or personality disorders usually get worse. And all the time away is moving them further and further from the daily realities of interacting with other people and being independent. They actually have a name for this syndrome, when someone is locked up so long in a psych hospital that they are afraid to go outside of it since they haven't seen the real world in 5/10/20/etc years. I can't think of the name though.

Nimrod's Son · 09-23-2011, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eulogy

You don't think social security disability benefits should exist?

I think giving someone a check for "emotional distress" is a bunch of bullshit. If that person isn't needing to be hospitalized, they should sack up and get a job. If they are SO emotionally damaged that they can't work, put them in a hospital until they can.

I am not talking about someone who was in a car accident and is in physical therapy

Quote:

Presumably because of the cost? but then you want to spend more?

Not the cost as much as the ease of abuse and lack of incentive to get off assistance

Quote:

you really are just trolling now aren't you

at what point was this inconsistent with any of my other beliefs

Nimrod's Son · 09-23-2011, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reprise85

People don't come out of state hospitals btw; it's very rare. And only psychotic people tend to get better with long term hospitalization; people with mood disorders and/or personality disorders usually get worse. And all the time away is moving them further and further from the daily realities of interacting with other people and being independent. They actually have a name for this syndrome, when someone is locked up so long in a psych hospital that they are afraid to go outside of it since they haven't seen it in 5/10/20/etc years. I can't think of the name though.

is it crybaby syndrome? because it sounds like crybaby syndrome

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

I think giving someone a check for "emotional distress" is a bunch of bullshit. If that person isn't needing to be hospitalized, they should sack up and get a job. If they are SO emotionally damaged that they can't work, put them in a hospital until they can.

It's not like there is some switch where one is capable/not capable.

De-institutionalization changed a lot of things. The government in the end is saving money by only having the sick in when they most need it, and subsidizing their life outside. Surely this appeals to you somewhere? This also allows these people to re-integrate into society. Some mental illness abates at least somewhat with age (schizophrenia, for example), and many others will learn to cope better with time. It is morally repugnant, honestly, to lock people away for life because you have some principal that giving money directly to a person is bad.

You also haven't bothered to answer most of my questions or offer counterarguments so I will just stop there.

reprise85 · 06:14 PM

And regardless of abuse of the system, this is all true

I would be for making some tighter restrictions with certain things. As it is if I wanted to stay on disability forever I'd never have to get checked out again for it by the govt, they'd just assume I was still disabled. That is at least how I understand it. That certainly isn't a good policy.

It is fairly hard to get on disability for mental illness. I was really 'sick' let's call it at the time, and got it within two months, but that is far from normal. You have to have a history of hospitalizations, they get info from all of your old doctors, and you have to see a psychiatrist they appoint to your case. Even during that time, I wasn't *always* in a hospital (I'd say a total of 3-4 months that year in 5 or 6 hospital stays), but I certainly wasn't capable of any work at all, or taking care of myself in most ways. I wasn't even allowed to handle my own money for some time after that.

But not having to ever prove anything ever again is pretty dumb.

Eulogy · 09-23-2011, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

I think giving someone a check for "emotional distress" is a bunch of bullshit. If that person isn't needing to be hospitalized, they should sack up and get a job. If they are SO emotionally damaged that they can't work, put them in a hospital until they can.

It's not nearly as easy as you probably think to get disability benefits. I imagine you're not very familiar with the process.

Quote:

I am not talking about someone who was in a car accident and is in physical therapy
Not the cost as much as the ease of abuse and lack of incentive to get off assistance

"Ease of abuse" is a myth for someone in reprise85's position. If she's still on it at age 40, we can talk about it I guess.

Quote:

at what point was this inconsistent with any of my other beliefs

It's just you becoming a caricature. Taking your mid-level ignorance and blowing it up to ridiculous proportions.

As a sidenote to reprise, I'd like to hear more about your experience with the social security administration, but if it's too private I understand.

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 06:50 PM

I have no problem talking about it. Honestly, things went pretty smoothly for me. I first tried to fill out all the forms and questionnaires and stuff by myself, and that turned into a nightmare for me. Memory issue are part of my problem (especially at that time) and I had no idea what I had turned in and what I didn't.

I went to a lawyer. Actually, my dad made the appointment because I had problems talking on the telephone, as dumb as that sounds. They usually only have clients who have been denied once (which is the huge majority of people who apply), and I didn't realize that before I went. But I spoke to the paralegal or whoever I spoke to and she said no problem they would do it... I guess it was obvious to everyone I needed help, and I have quite a fucked up story about how I have PTSD and all that which some of you know part of. Pretty embarrassing to think about now.

I had to sign a bunch of release forms for basically every doctor I've ever seen, psych related or not.

About maybe a month later they set up an appointment for me to see a GP and a psychiatrist that they hire just for these evaluations. The GP tested my asthma and that was it. The psychiatrist had me talk about my symptoms basically and did some generalized testing with memory and stuff, basically this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...of_Functioning

I was with him for an hour or so.

Few weeks later the lawyer called me and told me they had accepted it and that was the end.

I am on like super-disability though where I have to deal with this: http://www.ssa.gov/payee/bene.htm

I definitely needed that at the time. Not sure how to appeal it or if I really should yet.

I have to keep receipts for everything and my mom (my payee) gets audited every year.

Another thing is that for Disability, you need to have worked a certain amount of time based on your age. If you haven't, you can get SSI, but it is substantially less money. I had worked enough, so I am lucky for that.

Medicare + prescription insurance is like $180 a month. And the prescription plans are almost worthless to someone like me who is on like $1k worth of drugs a month. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicar...D_coverage_gap
Basically I'm in the gap by April and so I'm paying 50% of all my scripts which is still easily $450 a month. I'm trying to get free Seroquel though as I mentioned, which is like $250/mo. It's fucking crazy.

Moral of the story, if I didn't have some family help, I'd be shit out of luck even with disability. I wouldn't be able to afford any kind of treatment at all and would likely be dead many times over by now.

But I have no complaints about how it's all handled at all... I am grateful to be able to get something anywhere... but I do have guilt for draining on the system and being a burden to my family. It's shitty and I will be out of it as soon as I can. I also haven't been in the hospital in more than a year, which is excellent for me. I feel somewhat stable for the first time in a long time.

Dead Frequency · 09-23-2011, 06:52 PM

living on 900 dollars a month would be hard

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 06:56 PM

By all means though, peons, work for me!

reprise85 · 09-23-2011, 06:56 PM

Yeah my rent is $450

Eulogy · 09-23-2011, 06:57 PM

Yeah, it was good you got someone who was willing to help on the initial application.

At our legal aid office we wouldn't even help people with the initial application.

You're lucky you didn't have to deal with a hearing. They're supposed to be non-adversarial, but one of the ones I sat in on had a doctor who clearly didn't understand his job, and it seemed like he thought he was supposed to do whatever he could to deny benefits to a kid who had debilitating asthma. Kinda lame.

09-23-2011, 03:10 PM	#1
dean_r_koontz Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 12,657	questions for rottenugly you planning on getting a drivers license son?

09-23-2011, 06:08 PM	#24
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	And regardless of abuse of the system, this is all true I would be for making some tighter restrictions with certain things. As it is if I wanted to stay on disability forever I'd never have to get checked out again for it by the govt, they'd just assume I was still disabled. That is at least how I understand it. That certainly isn't a good policy. It is fairly hard to get on disability for mental illness. I was really 'sick' let's call it at the time, and got it within two months, but that is far from normal. You have to have a history of hospitalizations, they get info from all of your old doctors, and you have to see a psychiatrist they appoint to your case. Even during that time, I wasn't always in a hospital (I'd say a total of 3-4 months that year in 5 or 6 hospital stays), but I certainly wasn't capable of any work at all, or taking care of myself in most ways. I wasn't even allowed to handle my own money for some time after that. But not having to ever prove anything ever again is pretty dumb. Last edited by reprise85 : 09-23-2011 at 06:14 PM.

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rottenugly Banned Location: its a gas Posts: 2,688	In a year or two.

09-23-2011, 03:13 PM	#3
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	This has the potential to turn very creepy.

09-23-2011, 03:14 PM	#4
rottenugly Banned Location: its a gas Posts: 2,688	How so.

09-23-2011, 03:15 PM	#5
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	Don't worry, I'm sure someone will show us all how to do it right.

09-23-2011, 03:20 PM	#6
dean_r_koontz Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 12,657	you're the kind of person who runs to the social services aren't you reprise.

09-23-2011, 03:23 PM	#7
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	yeah you got me work for me, peons. i'm enjoying my awesome life on disability and living on $900 a month. it's such an adventure! oops, got a bit personal there did i

09-23-2011, 03:28 PM	#8
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	AstraZeneca is even going to give me free Seroquel so I don't go crazy again, since I can't afford it! Livin the life

09-23-2011, 03:55 PM	#9
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	why are you on disability

09-23-2011, 04:09 PM	#12
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	mentally ill people should either be locked in an institution or free but not scamming off the government

09-23-2011, 04:32 PM	#17
dean_r_koontz Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 12,657	well he wants you to catch some sunshine and feel better but if you don't want to do that...

09-23-2011, 05:47 PM	#20
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	People don't come out of state hospitals btw; it's very rare. And only psychotic people tend to get better with long term hospitalization; people with mood disorders and/or personality disorders usually get worse. And all the time away is moving them further and further from the daily realities of interacting with other people and being independent. They actually have a name for this syndrome, when someone is locked up so long in a psych hospital that they are afraid to go outside of it since they haven't seen the real world in 5/10/20/etc years. I can't think of the name though.

09-23-2011, 06:50 PM	#26
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	I have no problem talking about it. Honestly, things went pretty smoothly for me. I first tried to fill out all the forms and questionnaires and stuff by myself, and that turned into a nightmare for me. Memory issue are part of my problem (especially at that time) and I had no idea what I had turned in and what I didn't. I went to a lawyer. Actually, my dad made the appointment because I had problems talking on the telephone, as dumb as that sounds. They usually only have clients who have been denied once (which is the huge majority of people who apply), and I didn't realize that before I went. But I spoke to the paralegal or whoever I spoke to and she said no problem they would do it... I guess it was obvious to everyone I needed help, and I have quite a fucked up story about how I have PTSD and all that which some of you know part of. Pretty embarrassing to think about now. I had to sign a bunch of release forms for basically every doctor I've ever seen, psych related or not. About maybe a month later they set up an appointment for me to see a GP and a psychiatrist that they hire just for these evaluations. The GP tested my asthma and that was it. The psychiatrist had me talk about my symptoms basically and did some generalized testing with memory and stuff, basically this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...of_Functioning I was with him for an hour or so. Few weeks later the lawyer called me and told me they had accepted it and that was the end. I am on like super-disability though where I have to deal with this: http://www.ssa.gov/payee/bene.htm I definitely needed that at the time. Not sure how to appeal it or if I really should yet. I have to keep receipts for everything and my mom (my payee) gets audited every year. Another thing is that for Disability, you need to have worked a certain amount of time based on your age. If you haven't, you can get SSI, but it is substantially less money. I had worked enough, so I am lucky for that. Medicare + prescription insurance is like $180 a month. And the prescription plans are almost worthless to someone like me who is on like $1k worth of drugs a month. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicar...D_coverage_gap Basically I'm in the gap by April and so I'm paying 50% of all my scripts which is still easily $450 a month. I'm trying to get free Seroquel though as I mentioned, which is like $250/mo. It's fucking crazy. Moral of the story, if I didn't have some family help, I'd be shit out of luck even with disability. I wouldn't be able to afford any kind of treatment at all and would likely be dead many times over by now. But I have no complaints about how it's all handled at all... I am grateful to be able to get something anywhere... but I do have guilt for draining on the system and being a burden to my family. It's shitty and I will be out of it as soon as I can. I also haven't been in the hospital in more than a year, which is excellent for me. I feel somewhat stable for the first time in a long time.

09-23-2011, 06:52 PM	#27
Dead Frequency Minion of Satan Location: They don't know who did it, but they're looking for hardened criminals Posts: 5,960	living on 900 dollars a month would be hard

09-23-2011, 06:56 PM	#28
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 31,883	By all means though, peons, work for me!

09-23-2011, 06:57 PM	#30
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,362	Yeah, it was good you got someone who was willing to help on the initial application. At our legal aid office we wouldn't even help people with the initial application. You're lucky you didn't have to deal with a hearing. They're supposed to be non-adversarial, but one of the ones I sat in on had a doctor who clearly didn't understand his job, and it seemed like he thought he was supposed to do whatever he could to deny benefits to a kid who had debilitating asthma. Kinda lame.