So the CIA says Bush is full of shit...

[kypper]

Dubya's just trying for another blank cheque.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2315967.stm

Paul Reynolds
BBC News Online World Affairs correspondent
The CIA Director George Tenet has become the unlikely source of embarrassment to President George W Bush, undermining Mr Bush's warning of catastrophic threats from Saddam Hussein and exposing disagreements within the intelligence world about the nature of the danger.

In a letter to Congress, Mr Tenet said: "Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or chemical and biological warfare against the United States."

Mr Tenet says that only if attacked would Iraq use whatever weapons of mass destruction it has.

George Bush said in his Cincinnati speech to the American people: "Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof - the smoking gun - that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

Assessing intentions

A central issue here is one of assessing Iraq's intentions. Numerous reports over the past few months have detailed its capabilities, though even some of those are in dispute.

Think tanks have put out several summaries. The British Government added new detail with its own dossier. The CIA has this month joined in with a document of its own.


In the propaganda war preceding military action, government are always prone to casting any threat in the most dramatic possible way.

Mr Tenet's assessment, however, deals more with intentions than with hardware.

And it raises the question whether President Bush has been exaggerating the threat to justify military action.

The president has, for example, made much in his speech of the links that Saddam Hussein has had with "international terrorist groups" and that he and Osama Bin Laden "share a common enemy" (ie the United States).

He suggested that it was but a short step from there to providing such terrorists with weapons of mass destruction.

The three Ts

This is known as the threat of the "three Ts" - tyranny, terrorists and technology.

But experts say that Saddam Hussein comes from a different ********** to Bin Laden. Saddam is a secular revolutionary socialist dictator.


Each of us has a solemn responsibility to do everything in our power to ensure that, when the history of this period is written, the books won't ask why we slept

Donald Rumsfeld
His links with al-Qaeda are tenuous at best and do not seem to exist at senior level.

His support for Palestinian groups is well known and was probably what Mr Bush was referring to. Notorious figures like Abu Nidal (who died in Iraq recently) and Abu Abbas have been given shelter.

But there is no evidence that they would be given weapons of mass destruction.

Mr Bush also suggested that Iraq had developed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and that the United States was "concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAV's for missions targeting the United States".

It is known that Iraq is trying to turn a Czech made trainer the L29 into an UAV but it has a range of only 600 kilometres (370 miles). It could hit American bases in the Middle East but not the United States itself.

Propaganda war

In the propaganda war preceding military action, government are always prone to casting any threat in the most dramatic possible way.

And the Bush administration's reply to claims that it is exaggerating is simple - after 11 September, it cannot take a chance.

The Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who has made warnings about Saddam Hussein into a speciality, said to the House Armed Service Committee on 18 September:

"We are on notice - each of us. Each of us has a solemn responsibility to do everything in our power to ensure that, when the history of this period is written, the books won't ask why we slept."

Against such rhetoric, the doubts of some in the intelligence community do not make much headway.

[sleeper]

yeah kinda old news. dozens of officials from military, intelligence, and goverment are all coming out now bashing the war. some of them are saying that theyre being put under extreme pressure to "cook the books" when it comes to intelligence regarding iraq. this still comes as somewhat as a surprise i think. either their conscience has finally kicked in, or their sensing the true repercussions this war will have on them. that they wont exactly walk away clean from this

[Undone]

Originally posted by sleeper
yeah kinda old news. dozens of officials from military, intelligence, and goverment are all coming out now bashing the war. some of them are saying that theyre being put under extreme pressure to "cook the books" when it comes to intelligence regarding iraq. this still comes as somewhat as a surprise i think. either their conscience has finally kicked in, or their sensing the true repercussions this war will have on them. that they wont exactly walk away clean from this

And the best part is that, though not representative of everyone, at least MY local paper is claiming the large growth of support for this war. I <3 the propaganda machine to drum up public support.

[sleeper]

god you should see my paper. its the biggest piece of propagandistic garbage you'll ever see. every picture accompianing an article about iraq is some crazy guy with a long beard waving a sword super-imposed on an image of saddam hussien. the editorials are a joke. ive got to start getting the globe allready

[sleeper]

this is fucking hilarious

"If we don't take decisive action now, we run the risk of countless Iraqis continuing to live."

[jenn]

bush just wants to get back at sadam for giving his daddy problems... i don't feel like getting nuked... i wish he would just shut the fuck up and leave them alone.

[Liquid-J]

bush probably doesn't know what a "cheque" is, and is looking for a check instead.

[kypper]

Originally posted by Liquid-J
bush probably doesn't know what a "cheque" is, and is looking for a check instead.

Ah Canada and the United States... how we differ.

[DeviousJ]

Well, I see Bush is already using the bomb in Bali to drum up support for war.