Cremaster

sarmatianus · 12:19 PM

Talk about a mind fuck...

www.cremaster.net

Edit: here's the trailer - http://www.cremaster.net/cc_trailer/cc_trailer.mov

yeah whatever · 06-09-2003, 09:16 PM

I don't want to click on that, but I do want to call you an asshole.

sarmatianus · 06-09-2003, 10:00 PM

It's this "epic" project that Bjork's boyfriend, Matthew Barney, worked on from 1994-2002. Its a series of five movies, art installations, photographs, etc. The Guggenheim is exhibiting the whole thing for the first time ever.

I imagine it's the kinda thing that Billy wishes the Machina mystery could've been - had it not tried to have some point to begin with.

twice · 06-10-2003, 02:58 AM

i've been ranting about this shit for the past 2 months! he's fucking brilliant! i'll go as far to say that he's just as big as warhol, if not he will be. are you going to see the films?

Comparing this to machina is really undermining it, imo. the more you read about these images, the more layers and connections you find in things that don't appear to have any significance at all. to some, it's shock value and nothing more, but Barney meticulously planned this art to have meaning and layers in it.

I Love You · 06-10-2003, 03:06 AM

just watched the trailer. WTF just happened.

Buzz Burbank · 06-10-2003, 03:10 AM

its planned, high brow snobbery "look at me i think outside the lines" love me look at me i need attention buy these clothes

I Love You · 06-10-2003, 03:17 AM

at first i thought this thread was about exercise equipment, like the thighmaster.

twice · 06-10-2003, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by twice
to some, it's shock value and nothing more, .

Quote:

Originally posted by Buzz Burbank
its planned, high brow snobbery "look at me i think outside the lines" love me look at me i need attention buy these clothes

twice · 06-10-2003, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by I Love You
just watched the trailer. WTF just happened.

read the synopsis maybe?

Mariner · 06-10-2003, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by I Love You
at first i thought this thread was about exercise equipment, like the thighmaster.

i thought maybe it was some sort of instant home cremation kit

sarmatianus · 06-10-2003, 12:20 PM

The thing is - what the hell are they? Someone told me that the genius of it is that they are virtually undiscussable; that no matter what you thought, you can't really sit around and analyze it.

twice · 06-10-2003, 01:35 PM

hmm well you're making two different points. the cremaster cycle is the cycle a fetus goes through when it becomes a sex. that's the underlying theme.

i would agree with whoever told you that, but i'd have to say that within each movie it is difficult to see why the scenes are in their particular order, and the relations between the five films are still more impenetrable. People do study the non-fictional characters and try to decipher the meaning behind every image, but yes, regardless of how long it is analyzed, it's nearly impossible to feel as though you fully understand it. the images arise very specifically from the private psychology of the artist, and ultimately it is impossible to understand.

twice · 06-10-2003, 06:35 PM

some images for those who are too lazy to click. assuming you care, naturally.

http://www.moviemaker.com/issues/48/....cremaster.jpg

http://www.art-in.de/bildermu/cowbarney.jpg

http://www.artnet.com/magazine/featu...inch6-11-3.jpg

http://cam.arts.usf.edu/Publications...estraint7F.jpg

http://www.filmforum.com/cremaster/i...ter3Image5.jpg

http://www.filmforum.com/cremaster/i...ter3Image8.jpg

Geek USA · 06-10-2003, 06:37 PM

my friend showed me this picture

http://www.filmforum.com/cremaster/i...er4Image12.jpg

It's scary

06-09-2003, 09:14 PM	#1
sarmatianus Apocalyptic Poster Location: Charm City Posts: 1,033	Cremaster Talk about a mind fuck... www.cremaster.net Edit: here's the trailer - http://www.cremaster.net/cc_trailer/cc_trailer.mov Last edited by sarmatianus : 06-10-2003 at 12:19 PM.

06-10-2003, 02:58 AM	#4
twice Socialphobic Location: kitty in the middle Posts: 10,183	i've been ranting about this shit for the past 2 months! he's fucking brilliant! i'll go as far to say that he's just as big as warhol, if not he will be. are you going to see the films? Comparing this to machina is really undermining it, imo. the more you read about these images, the more layers and connections you find in things that don't appear to have any significance at all. to some, it's shock value and nothing more, but Barney meticulously planned this art to have meaning and layers in it. __________________ j'en perds la raison dans la mer du japon

06-10-2003, 01:35 PM	#12
twice Socialphobic Location: kitty in the middle Posts: 10,183	hmm well you're making two different points. the cremaster cycle is the cycle a fetus goes through when it becomes a sex. that's the underlying theme. i would agree with whoever told you that, but i'd have to say that within each movie it is difficult to see why the scenes are in their particular order, and the relations between the five films are still more impenetrable. People do study the non-fictional characters and try to decipher the meaning behind every image, but yes, regardless of how long it is analyzed, it's nearly impossible to feel as though you fully understand it. the images arise very specifically from the private psychology of the artist, and ultimately it is impossible to understand. __________________ j'en perds la raison dans la mer du japon

06-09-2003, 09:16 PM	#2
yeah whatever Ownz Location: UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER. Posts: 518	I don't want to click on that, but I do want to call you an asshole.

06-09-2003, 10:00 PM	#3
sarmatianus Apocalyptic Poster Location: Charm City Posts: 1,033	It's this "epic" project that Bjork's boyfriend, Matthew Barney, worked on from 1994-2002. Its a series of five movies, art installations, photographs, etc. The Guggenheim is exhibiting the whole thing for the first time ever. I imagine it's the kinda thing that Billy wishes the Machina mystery could've been - had it not tried to have some point to begin with.

06-10-2003, 03:06 AM	#5
I Love You Demi-God Location: tx Posts: 458	just watched the trailer. WTF just happened.

06-10-2003, 03:10 AM	#6
Buzz Burbank Pledge Location: washington DC, bitch Posts: 155	its planned, high brow snobbery "look at me i think outside the lines" love me look at me i need attention buy these clothes

06-10-2003, 03:17 AM	#7
I Love You Demi-God Location: tx Posts: 458	at first i thought this thread was about exercise equipment, like the thighmaster.

06-10-2003, 12:20 PM	#11
sarmatianus Apocalyptic Poster Location: Charm City Posts: 1,033	The thing is - what the hell are they? Someone told me that the genius of it is that they are virtually undiscussable; that no matter what you thought, you can't really sit around and analyze it.

06-10-2003, 06:35 PM	#13
twice Socialphobic Location: kitty in the middle Posts: 10,183	some images for those who are too lazy to click. assuming you care, naturally. http://www.moviemaker.com/issues/48/....cremaster.jpg http://www.art-in.de/bildermu/cowbarney.jpg http://www.artnet.com/magazine/featu...inch6-11-3.jpg http://cam.arts.usf.edu/Publications...estraint7F.jpg http://www.filmforum.com/cremaster/i...ter3Image5.jpg http://www.filmforum.com/cremaster/i...ter3Image8.jpg

06-10-2003, 06:37 PM	#14
Geek USA car wash cunt Location: cuyler ave Posts: 39,762	my friend showed me this picture http://www.filmforum.com/cremaster/i...er4Image12.jpg It's scary