Obama seeks to restrict Miranda rights for terror suspects

[redbreegull]

Attorney General Backs Miranda Limit for Terror Suspects - NYTimes.com

whoops, I must have accidentally checked "Bush" on my ballot

[hnibos]

since when do terrorists deserve respect

[Order 66]

I'm pretty ambivalent on how they try them. as long as we don't take them to cells in Sweden or wherever and start torturing them

[Toast]

Anyone arrested by US authorities should be offered full miranda rights.

[Order 66]

even muslims?

[Toast]

Especially muslims.

[Corganist]

I think US citizens, terrorists or not, should be fully mirandized.

Everybody else should be treated on a case by case basis.

[Order 66]

Originally Posted by Corganist

I think US citizens, terrorists or not, should be fully mirandized.

Everybody else should be treated on a case by case basis.

Do you consider terrorists enemy combatants? And if so do you think enemy combatants should be mirandized?

[jczeroman]

There is a GARGANTUAN difference between suspected terrorists and terrorists.

[Starla]

Obama is no better than this guy

[Eulogy]

lol @ redbreegull finally realizing Obama isn't the messiah

[Cool As Ice Cream]

miranda is a bitch. god, i hate her.

[Order 66]

Originally Posted by jczeroman

There is a GARGANTUAN difference between suspected terrorists and terrorists.

The times square bomber is a "suspected terrorist". Do you honestly believe the difference between him and a "terrorist" is gargantuan?

And plus this story is basically from something David gregory weaseled from holder. leaving it at OBAMA IZ BUSH is pretty daft.

[jczeroman]

Originally Posted by Order 66

The times square bomber is a "suspected terrorist". Do you honestly believe the difference between him and a "terrorist" is gargantuan?

Yes.

Until he is convicted in a court and legally proven to be responsible for what happened then he isn't a criminal and should not be treated like one. The state doesn't have the right (yet) to simply make accusations and punish people based on those accusations alone. We live in a civilised society where we believe people are innocent until they are proven guilty in a civilised way - namely a court and under laws which apply equally to all people regardless of the accusation.

Now, when this guy is convicted, he should be punished as far as the law will allow. But if we do not provide due process, we are just pursuing vigilante justice.

[Order 66]

I don't disagree. But months ago the admin gets thrown under the bus for 'treating terrorists like citizens!' so it seens like people are throwing bricks for the sake of it.

Like I said I'm pretty ambivalent about it. I'd rather them be tried in civilian courts and be mirandized but I don't have a problem with treating them as enemy combatants either, since that's essentially wht they are

[Corganist]

Originally Posted by Order 66

Do you consider terrorists enemy combatants? And if so do you think enemy combatants should be mirandized?

I don't think enemy combatants should be mirandized, but I also don't think we should bend over backwards to fit suspects into the enemy combatant classification just to avoid mirandizing them. I don't think mere suspicion of involvement in a terrorist act alone is enough to deem someone an enemy combatant, especially if the suspect is an American citizen.

[jczeroman]

I agree that there should be a distinction between enemy combatants and criminal suspects. The way that looks like is (crudely) this:

If a terrorist is the midst of a terrorist act (not plotting, not speaking, not planing - but actually carrying out an attack) then he should be stopped obviously in the same way any criminal in the midst of a crime is stopped. If he is not in the act, then he is yet another criminal. If he's on foreign soil, he is treated as a foreign criminal / enemy of the state. If he is on US soil, then he needs to be treated under the same laws an any other non-citizen criminal.

[Future Boy]

theres a thread for this stuff

Originally Posted by Eulogy

lol @ redbreegull finally realizing Obama isn't the messiah

there may be hope yet

[The Omega Concern]

The 3-Dimensional chess game continues. If you've been keeping score, a decade ago the word terrorist evoked images of men in robes living in caves. Today, it's becoming domesticated and the big gun that is the Patriot Act is now being pointed back on American citizens, by design!

originally posted by hnibos:

since when do terrorists deserve respect

When the definition of terrorism starts to ******* citizens who merely speak out against their government. Our government is moving so fast in this direction right now it's frightening.

[Order 66]

Originally Posted by Corganist

I don't think enemy combatants should be mirandized, but I also don't think we should bend over backwards to fit suspects into the enemy combatant classification just to avoid mirandizing them. I don't think mere suspicion of involvement in a terrorist act alone is enough to deem someone an enemy combatant, especially if the suspect is an American citizen.

point taken. but that basically implies that underoo bomber and time square loser arent enemy combatants. and that clashes with the 'obamer is treating terrorists like citizens!' line conservatives were towing five minutes ago. unless youre one didn't, and if so good for you

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

lol @ redbreegull finally realizing Obama isn't the messiah

Originally Posted by Future Boy

theres a thread for this stuff



there may be hope yet

This is not the first time I have criticized him, but I'm not surprised you two missed it while you were busy hopping on the Obama is a failure bandwagon. Gotta stay up to date with the latest trends, right?

Also there was not a single thread for everything we didn't like about George Bush so why should I post this in the other thread?

[Future Boy]

Cause I like that thread title more.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

This is not the first time I have criticized him, but I'm not surprised you two missed it

Originally Posted by redbreegull

Thumbs down Obama. Really lame.

Pretty harsh, I dont know how I missed that.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

Pretty harsh, I dont know how I missed that.

I'm sure your search was exhaustive.

That'll do pig.

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

It's impossible to tell if this is a good or bad decision before we see the list of programs that will be cut/frozen.

ouch

[Future Boy]

If I skip the threads were you get into stupid arguments with Omega/Trots it doenst leave many more posts to browse over. Half of those are you calling someone/thing stupid.

[Future Boy]

The second most critical post you've made...







It's a scorcher....









Wait for it...

Originally Posted by redbreegull

He does have serious problems leading his party but I voted too early to tell.

[redbreegull]

well I guess you can lay down on your laurels now.

[Eulogy]

just shut the fuck up redbull

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Then comes communism in a baby carriage