An Inconvenient Truth

[dean_r_koontz]

Originally Posted by Karl Connor

Most folks I know who grew up to be profs are fucking retarded.. Sure there are A of exceptions though

you're welcome back to the general chat all is forgotten.

[dean_r_koontz]

literally my memory is wreckd

[Mariner]

since we're being anectodal here, I encountered plenty of totally useless college professors and just a handful of really good ones in my time at a large mainstream public university. nearly all of the really good professors (read: sensible, rational, open-minded, always-learning, passionate, etc.) that I encountered taught classes and did research in the fields of climate modeling/climate studies/paleoclimatology etc. all of them were pretty much on board with the concept that humans burning/releasing millions of years' worth of stored solar energy is certainly a substantial enough phenomenon to have a major effect on the planet's climate.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Mariner

since we're being anectodal here, I encountered plenty of totally useless college professors and just a handful of really good ones in my time at a large mainstream public university. nearly all of the really good professors (read: sensible, rational, open-minded, always-learning, passionate, etc.) that I encountered taught classes and did research in the fields of climate modeling/climate studies/paleoclimatology etc. all of them were pretty much on board with the concept that humans burning/releasing millions of years' worth of stored solar energy is certainly a substantial enough phenomenon to have a major effect on the planet's climate.

I would really be interested in how much research they themselves actually did personally.

[Jesus Cambodia]

I just skimmed through this thread to see what the discussion was. I'm watching he "climategate" situation with interest, but I just wanted to point something out. All of you people that are calling academia retarded are doing so on the politics section of a smashing pumpkins fansite. Just wanted to point that out. I'm sure you will draw your own conclusions, I know I've drawn mine!

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Jesus Cambodia

I just skimmed through this thread to see what the discussion was. I'm watching he "climategate" situation with interest, but I just wanted to point something out. All of you people that are calling academia retarded are doing so on the politics section of a smashing pumpkins fansite. Just wanted to point that out. I'm sure you will draw your own conclusions, I know I've drawn mine!

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[The Omega Concern]

No. Real academia understands dissent is part of the scientific method. It's the politically hedged bozo's whose academic grant funding derides solely from being on one side of this issue that are retarded.

[Jesus Cambodia]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

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[Eulogy]

no that was a dumb post

[Eulogy]

not that i necessarily agree with people who throw the entire field of academia under the bus but jesus christ

"message board lol" is a pretty played out and stupid argument.

[Jesus Cambodia]

Is it a stupid argument? Maybe I was trying to reassure myself. Anytime I hear people bitching about academia they are usually Sarah Palin/jesus on dinosaurback types, and the whole anti-intellectualism thing really creeps me out. For some reason it was reassuring to point out that, really, the academic system is fine, and these people bitching about it are just idiots on a messageboard that was created for teenagers.

[Order 66]

tell us more, jesus cambodia

[The Omega Concern]

Jesus,




I came to Netphoria 10 years ago and in the Gen. board back then, posted many threads about the NWO and Marxist agenda's and the like...back when nobody believed in a NWO but there's no choice now, the politicians talk it up freely anymore.

anyway, me and several others, including Pakula, kept at it for quite some time until there was a need for this Political board; which, given the nature of the education aptitude of High School aged kids these days, you might understand there's no possible way this board was made for teenagers.

It was made for me. Thanks Andrew.

[Future Boy]

The board was made when the Iraq war started, it switched from War Board to politics board in 04 I think.

[jczeroman]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

The board was made when the Iraq war started, it switched from War Board to politics board in 04 I think.

The War Board would still be a fitting name for it.

[The Omega Concern]

originally posted by Future Boy:



The board was made when the Iraq war started, it switched from War Board to politics board in 04 I think.

ya... that too.


things percoluted with 9/11 also, by the time Iraq started (which was March' 03 I thought) it was soon after that the War Board got going. It has since been requested to be terminated umpteen times.



Open World government is being announced everywhere. Copenhagen is nothing but a tyrannical element as we speak in which we will have to pay carbon taxes to private banks. It is a fascist takeover of the world. These guys used to work incrementally, but they're aware there is an awakening in the populace (internet info wars) and have noticeably ramped up their efforts for a world government.

It means we pay taxes to international bankers who control what's about to become the new world government, usurping the U.N.

The bankers have always used the U.N. to bait and switch the African countries; always getting them riled up about the injustices and saying their gonna get them the riches of the western world, but what happens is the U.N. sucks off the top and Africa withers away. Next up. America.

All you good liberals thought the Global Warming theories were gospels of truth from God...but you forgot to look at history and know that bankers always fund collectivist agendas and then bait and switch. tisk tisk.

[Mo]

You are really batshit crazy, aren't you?

[The Omega Concern]

The UN Copenhagen climate talks are in disarray today after developing countries reacted furiously to leaked documents that show world leaders will next week be asked to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the UN's role in all future climate change negotiations.

This article details the bait and switch and the African Nations waking up to the fact they've been hosed. Fucked. Raped. Sodomized. Comed on. Golden Showered. You name it, they're getting it.




http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ay-danish-text

The document was described last night by one senior diplomat as "a very dangerous document for developing countries. It is a fundamental reworking of the UN balance of obligations. It is to be superimposed without discussion on the talks".

We've gone from emails to now text. It was a text that leaked that is what the African countries are reacting to. An assessment of the concerns from the text:



• Force developing countries to agree to specific emission cuts and measures that were not part of the original UN agreement;

• Divide poor countries further by creating a new category of developing countries called "the most vulnerable";

• Weaken the UN's role in handling climate finance;

• Not allow poor countries to emit more than 1.44 tonnes of carbon per person by 2050, while allowing rich countries to emit 2.67 tonnes.




One diplomat has said it is the end of the UN process. I would be jumping for joy if it were that simple. But what's taking its place is not good.

[Order 66]

you're one step closer to unraveling the soros/gore cabal to take away your freedoms

[Nimrod's Son]

David Spady : Schwarzenegger's Costly War on Climate Change - Townhall.com

As the United Nations Climate Change Conference enters its second week in Copenhagen, California will send a delegation to showcase the state’s own climate change policies. Since his election to office in 2003, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has made global warming and climate change a cornerstone of his gubernatorial legacy. When he addresses conference delegates this week, Schwarzenegger will boast that under his watch the state has implemented some of the strictest and most comprehensive environmental regulations in the world. But delegates won’t be presented with the true cost of Schwarzenegger’s war on global warming.
http://media.townhall.com/townhall/p...lin300x250.jpg Californians know better than anyone else the devastating effects of severe environmental laws. The state is reeling from a mass exodus of businesses and employees who can no longer operate under such onerous restrictions. In 2008 alone, over a quarter million jobs were lost in the Golden State. Although California’s official unemployment rate is 12.3%, there are estimates it could really be as high as 20%.
Despite these alarming numbers, last week Governor Schwarzenegger praised a report by Next 10, an environmental organization, claiming that “green jobs and business growth significantly outpace the rest of California’s economy.” The report predicts green policies will create over 400,000 jobs in California over the next 12 years. The darling of climate change devotees such as Schwarzenegger and Al Gore, so-called “green jobs and businesses” have received the benefits of tax breaks and a variety of other government promotions. In reality, the exaggerated growth of green jobs cannot balance the loss of existing jobs and businesses destroyed by environmental regulations.
In 2006, Schwarzenegger signed Assembly Bill 32, Kyoto-modeled legislation that mandated California reduce its greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2020. A recent study by the California Small Business Roundtable revealed that AB 32 will cost the state $71.46 billion annually. The annual cost to consumers will be $149.2 billion, and small businesses will pay $182.64 billion. The report also estimates the state will lose over 1.1 million jobs as a result of AB 32’s regulations—over 3% of the state population.
In the midst of the greatest economic decline since the Great Depression, California moves blindly onward in its quest to achieve green utopia. The San Diego Union Tribune recently asked Schwarzenegger whether he would consider suspending AB 32’s drastic regulations to help the state cope with the recession—a provision upon which he predicated his initial support for the legislation. Incredibly, despite all evidence to the contrary, and regardless of how dire the economic conditions, the Governor asserts he is “not going to suspend regulations that are creating jobs and stimulating the economy.”
In the three years since he signed the legislation, Schwarzenegger has apparently thrown his early caution to the wind. The Governor now asserts that suspension of AB 32 is unnecessary because “Major programs under AB 32 will not go into effect until 2012. By then, the economy will continue to improve – helped by the continued growth of California’s clean tech sector.” Schwarzenegger’s administration concluded that only if there was evidence that AB 32 “has something to do with growing unemployment” would they suspend AB 32. Perhaps the California Small Business Roundtable should send a copy of their alarming report to the Governor’s office.
Justifying his commitment to climate change regulations, the governor commented, “One study estimates that $2.5 trillion of California assets are threatened by climate change. Think about that, this means our highways and certain buildings will be threatened.” What the Governor fails to recognize is that California citizens are the real assets in California. And right now those citizens face an unemployment rate disproportionate to the rest of the nation. The real victims of California’s climate change war are the average citizens who are the true engine of economic recovery and prosperity.
United Nations Climate Change Conference delegates can certainly follow Schwarzenegger’s example in implementing subnational environmental regulations. But they follow California’s lead at their own economic peril.

[The Omega Concern]

Well, on the surface it appears Copenhagen was a big embarrasing fail for the elite. However, Lord Monckton suggest their real goal for this meeting was to establish the roots for a world government (which is no secret anymore) and more importantly, an actual mechanism to have it funded.

But I guess having an a elite face-saving 'agreement' with no teeth whatsoever is as good as it will get for now.

Eventually, they're gonna say they need a 100 billion to help developing countries. They'll tax western nations for it and the new world beuracracy will suck it all off the top, like politicians always do.

So actually World Government is really not putting it right. It should be Grand World Pyramid Scheme to tax the U.S. and Europe to death.

[dudehitscar]

"Copenhgen=arrogance of man2think we can change nature's ways.MUST b good stewards of God's earth,but arrogant&naive2say man overpwers nature"

quoted from Sarah Palin's twitter post. LOL.

[dudehitscar]

"Earth saw clmate chnge4 ions;will cont 2 c chnges.R duty2responsbly devlop resorces4humankind/not pollute&destroy;but cant alter naturl chng"

from guess who... you betcha.