i'm sorry if it's not politically correct.

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 03:23 AM

those security guards are so fucking brave

and. i know it's cheesy but i'm glad they saved the suicide bomber's life or something.

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...2617319499.jpg

A Palestinian suicide bomber is led into custody (C) outside an Israeli police station after failing in an attempt to attack a crowded cafe on Tel Aviv's busy beachfront on October, 11, 2002. The bomber's explosives belt triggered a metal detector at the entrance to the Tayelet Cafe and he fled towards the nearby U.S. Embassy, where Israeli security men guarding the compound grabbed him, pinning him down until police arrived to neutralise the bomb and arrest him. REUTERS/Guy Alon

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 03:24 AM

even though his poor family won't get 25,000 from saddam hussein now

Liquid-J · 10-12-2002, 03:26 AM

what's politically incorrect about that?

ooh, the second part.

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 03:27 AM

i dunno. it's not politically-correct to have respect for israelis or something.

Mayfuck · 10-12-2002, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samsa
those security guards are so fucking brave

and. i know it's cheesy but i'm glad they saved the suicide bomber's life or something.

That's not cheesy or politically incorrect. You're just a humanist

Debaser · 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samsa
and. i know it's cheesy but i'm glad they saved the suicide bomber's life or something

they didn't save his life. they just took away his paradise afterlife.

and uh...im way more glad that they saved of all the innocent lives that he was planning to kill and not the suicide bomber's life....

what is up with your sympathy to individuals who have or tried to kill innocent people? first mcveigh and now this suicide bomber.....
thats just fucking fucked.

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Debaser

they didn't save his life. they just took away his paradise afterlife.

and uh...im way more glad that they saved of all the innocent lives that he was planning to kill and not the suicide bomber's life....

what is up with your sympathy to individuals who have or tried to kill innocent people? first mcveigh and now this suicide bomber.....
thats just fucking fucked.

um i think it's sort of a given that i (along with everyone else, well everyone except the lunatics) am glad he didn't murder anyone else. i mean that's just a duh and not worth mentioning, and i thought it was at least covered in how fucking brave the security guards are (they risk being blown to bits for the good of the other people standing around or something, i don't really know how suicide bombs work). the reason i mentioned that i'm glad the suicide bomber didn't die is because it's something..i don't know. sometimes you forget that it really is suicide or something. like doing that is sorta like saving a man from jumping off a bridge or shooting himself or something i dunno. except yeah i wonder how long he's gonna be in prison now or something. unless the palestinian authority has jurisdiction considering he's like a palestinian citizen or something. which i doubt. i dunno.

ZERO · 10-12-2002, 12:19 PM

it doesnt matter. he'll probably be tortured to death

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZERO
it doesnt matter. he'll probably be tortured to death

maybe he'll get the shit kicked out of him but i doubt he'll get 'tortured to death'.

jenn · 10-12-2002, 04:20 PM

i can't blame him for wanting to blow himself up over there. two of my close friends are from palestein... israeli's are fucked up beyond belief.

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by melancholia
i can't blame him for wanting to blow himself up over there. two of my close friends are from palestein... israeli's are fucked up beyond belief.

yeah, poor guy, trying to murder all these fucked-up israelis. how dare they try to stop him.

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 04:25 PM

(repeats 'now i know it isn't politically correct' and adds '..to not approve of terrorism')

jenn · 10-12-2002, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Samsa

yeah, poor guy, trying to murder all these fucked-up israelis. how dare they try to stop him.

when a person has nothing left to live for, giving their life to make a statement to the rest of the world about how NOT to handle political decisions seems to be a decent idea. when everything you have and work for has been taken away from you...i'd be pretty pissed off as well.

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by melancholia

when a person has nothing left to live for, giving their life to make a statement to the rest of the world about how NOT to handle political decisions seems to be a decent idea. when everything you have and work for has been taken away from you...i'd be pretty pissed off as well.

oh yeah.

people seem to forget what a horrible and corrupt leader yasir arafat is. one reason i hate ariel sharon is he's practically the only thing keeping that jerk in power right now. wasn't there that report that came out a couple weeks ago about how arafat has been embezzling relief funds that were supposed to go to impoverished palestinians? yeah. it's not a one-way street.

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by melancholia

when a person has nothing left to live for, giving their life to make a statement to the rest of the world about how NOT to handle political decisions seems to be a decent idea. when everything you have and work for has been taken away from you...i'd be pretty pissed off as well.

oh yeah.

pissed off enough to murder a bunch of teenagers?

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 04:33 PM

and anyways i didn't want to turn this into another stupid middle east debate so you people need to stop right there. i knew it would because the moment you mention everything little people like you come in and have to make comments. i posted this mostly because that guy on the left is really hot and because i think people who pin down a guy with a bomb strapped to his body are really cool.

jenn · 10-12-2002, 04:34 PM

i think arafat and sharon both should be shot... but that wouldn't stop the conflict at all.

if you look at what suicide bombers there are trying to do, is make a statement. killing a bunch of innocent kids is making a statement in my opinion. so is killing grade-schoolers. when your government is fucked up beyond belief, and no one is on your side, and everyone wants to take your land and leave you in poverty- making a drastic statement repeatedly might (just might) make someone listen.

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 04:39 PM

or it might (just might) make some freaky-ass prime minister see it as a reason to make more incursions. how about people stop blowing themselves up and people try to cut down on incursions and see what happens.

TheJoker · 10-12-2002, 04:44 PM

..what's up? make love?

Affect · 10-12-2002, 04:49 PM

Anyone with even a remote sense of logic understands who the aggressor in all of this is.

I wish the US wasn't pro-Israel. I was watching a program on the History channel about Israel's attack on the USS Liberty.

"Israel was also preparing to attack Syria to seize its strategic Golan Heights. Washington warned Israel not to invade Syria, which had remained inactive while Israel fought Egypt. Bamford says Israel's offensive against Syria was abruptly postponed when 'Liberty' appeared off Sinai, then launched once it was knocked out of action. Israel's claim that Syria had attacked it could have been disproved by 'Liberty.'"

Affect · 10-12-2002, 04:50 PM

'Liberty,' a World War II freighter, had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic 'ears' including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon.

'Liberty' had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,' which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle.

At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning 'Liberty' with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the 'Liberty' midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died.

Israeli gunboats circled the wounded 'Liberty,' firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House.

An hour after the attack, Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the order. 'prepare to repel borders.' But the Israelis, probably fearful of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. 'Liberty' was left shattered but still defiant, her flag flying.

The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II.

Less than an hour after the attack, Israel told Washington its forces had committed a 'tragic error.' Later, Israel claimed it had mistaken 'Liberty' for an ancient Egyptian horse transport. US Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, and Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Thomas Moorer, insisted the Israeli attack was deliberate and designed to sink 'Liberty.' So did three CIA reports; one asserted Israel's Defense Minister, Gen. Moshe Dayan, had personally ordered the attack.

MisterSquishyHalo · 10-12-2002, 04:54 PM

I could give a fuck about palestine right now.

If you want to blow shit up, if you want to make a statement, go after military targets or govt targets, dont go after kids.

Thats just wrong plain and simple. and there is NO way you can justify it.

Affect · 10-12-2002, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Affect
At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two.

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 04:58 PM

USS Liberty
(thing) by lemur (25 min) (print) ? 1 C! Tue May 21 2002 at 11:00:08

During the Six Day War between Israel and her neighbours, there was an incident involving the spy ship USS Liberty which took place in the Gulf of Akaba, between Egypt and Israel.

On June 8th, 1967, Israeli torpedo boats and aircraft attacked this intelligence ship for 75 minutes, killing 34 Americans and wounding 171. Despite reports from Spain, Lebanon and Germany that Israeli pilots were aware that this ship was American, yet the attack went ahead; the United States has been extremely unwilling to investigate this attack, describing it as a "tragic case of misidentification". There is ongoing controversy over the issue.

According to Israeli sources, the Israeli High command received reports that El Arish was being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel. A few days prior to this, the US had announced in the UN that they had no naval vessels within 100 miles of the vicinity. However, due to some communication errors, the USS Liberty arrived in the area, and was not able to inform the Israelis. It was then assumed by the Israelis that this ship was that which had been shelling El Arish. It was therefore attacked with ferocity, due to the standing command to attack any unidentified vessels in the area (it has been suggested that, as the weather was calm, the US flags were drooped and indiscernable). Once aware of the "greivous error", the Israelis provided aid to the Americans to save the crew and salvage the ship.

The US Government has invariably supported the official Israeli view, although there have been dissenters such as former Secretary of State Dean Rusk. Among the American press there have also been suggestions of the attack being a deliberate one. These suggestions are reinforced by the reports by Israeli pilots that they knew the ship was American, not the Egyptian El-Qusier, as it had been suggested to be. The reluctance of the US Government to have any kind of investigation into the matter complicates things further. Recently, some journalists have suggested a conspiracy theory: that the US government requested the Israeli attack in order that the US government could claim it as an Egyptian attack, therefore the US could attack Egypt, removing President Gamel Abdel Nasser - a 'communist' in US eyes. There is considerable contextual support for this idea, but it is yet to be proven.

The survivors of the attack continue to lobby for a proper investigation into the incident, as they feel betrayed by their government for the lack of such action. This is yet to be achieved. Many critics suggest that the US government does not want to lose support of the US Jewish lobby, nor expose her own treachery.

www.us-israel.org
www.ussliberty.org
www.washington-report.org

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 05:01 PM

and to finish off the presentation of different views here's the israeli account of the story:

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/liberty.html

god bless the history channel for being so unbiased

obscured01 · 10-12-2002, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by melancholia
i can't blame him for wanting to blow himself up over there. two of my close friends are from palestein... israeli's are fucked up beyond belief.

Quote:

Originally posted by melancholia
when a person has nothing left to live for, giving their life to make a statement to the rest of the world about how NOT to handle political decisions seems to be a decent idea. when everything you have and work for has been taken away from you...i'd be pretty pissed off as well.

You're generalizing. Not all Israelis are fuckedup beyond belief...

And how fair is it for someone, who has nothing to live for to go and destroy the lives and kill people who do have something to live for? I don't understand why the suicide bombers have to attack and choose civilian places to demonstrate their statements... Like that pizza place where children were? That was senseless...

It is not civilians that are taking their rights away... I don't think morally they should lash back at the civilians...

Anyway, I know I'll get flamed for this. I think the whole situation between the Palestine's and Israelis is trashed out... I think both sides have done wrong and the situation is totally and completely out of hand any way you look at it.

Samsa · 10-12-2002, 05:06 PM

http://pnews.org/art/1ussliberty.shtml

obscured01 · 10-12-2002, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MisterSquishyHalo
If you want to blow shit up, if you want to make a statement, go after military targets or govt targets, dont go after kids.

Thats just wrong plain and simple. and there is NO way you can justify it.

Yeah, that's what I was meaning to say.

10-12-2002, 03:23 AM	#1
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	i'm sorry if it's not politically correct. those security guards are so fucking brave and. i know it's cheesy but i'm glad they saved the suicide bomber's life or something. http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...2617319499.jpg A Palestinian suicide bomber is led into custody (C) outside an Israeli police station after failing in an attempt to attack a crowded cafe on Tel Aviv's busy beachfront on October, 11, 2002. The bomber's explosives belt triggered a metal detector at the entrance to the Tayelet Cafe and he fled towards the nearby U.S. Embassy, where Israeli security men guarding the compound grabbed him, pinning him down until police arrived to neutralise the bomb and arrest him. REUTERS/Guy Alon

10-12-2002, 03:24 AM	#2
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	even though his poor family won't get 25,000 from saddam hussein now

10-12-2002, 03:26 AM	#3
Liquid-J keeping it to a dull roar Location: san francisco, ca Posts: 12,824	what's politically incorrect about that? ooh, the second part.

10-12-2002, 03:27 AM	#4
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	i dunno. it's not politically-correct to have respect for israelis or something.

10-12-2002, 12:19 PM	#8
ZERO Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,494	it doesnt matter. he'll probably be tortured to death

10-12-2002, 04:20 PM	#10
jenn Minion of Satan Location: new york Posts: 6,325	i can't blame him for wanting to blow himself up over there. two of my close friends are from palestein... israeli's are fucked up beyond belief.

10-12-2002, 04:25 PM	#12
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	(repeats 'now i know it isn't politically correct' and adds '..to not approve of terrorism')

10-12-2002, 04:33 PM	#16
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	and anyways i didn't want to turn this into another stupid middle east debate so you people need to stop right there. i knew it would because the moment you mention everything little people like you come in and have to make comments. i posted this mostly because that guy on the left is really hot and because i think people who pin down a guy with a bomb strapped to his body are really cool.

10-12-2002, 04:34 PM	#17
jenn Minion of Satan Location: new york Posts: 6,325	i think arafat and sharon both should be shot... but that wouldn't stop the conflict at all. if you look at what suicide bombers there are trying to do, is make a statement. killing a bunch of innocent kids is making a statement in my opinion. so is killing grade-schoolers. when your government is fucked up beyond belief, and no one is on your side, and everyone wants to take your land and leave you in poverty- making a drastic statement repeatedly might (just might) make someone listen.

10-12-2002, 04:39 PM	#18
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	or it might (just might) make some freaky-ass prime minister see it as a reason to make more incursions. how about people stop blowing themselves up and people try to cut down on incursions and see what happens.

10-12-2002, 04:44 PM	#19
TheJoker Apocalyptic Poster Location: Seattle Posts: 3,292	..what's up? make love?

10-12-2002, 04:49 PM	#20
Affect Fuck Location: xxx Posts: 5,360	Anyone with even a remote sense of logic understands who the aggressor in all of this is. I wish the US wasn't pro-Israel. I was watching a program on the History channel about Israel's attack on the USS Liberty. "Israel was also preparing to attack Syria to seize its strategic Golan Heights. Washington warned Israel not to invade Syria, which had remained inactive while Israel fought Egypt. Bamford says Israel's offensive against Syria was abruptly postponed when 'Liberty' appeared off Sinai, then launched once it was knocked out of action. Israel's claim that Syria had attacked it could have been disproved by 'Liberty.'"

10-12-2002, 04:50 PM	#21
Affect Fuck Location: xxx Posts: 5,360	'Liberty,' a World War II freighter, had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic 'ears' including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon. 'Liberty' had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,' which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle. At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning 'Liberty' with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the 'Liberty' midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died. Israeli gunboats circled the wounded 'Liberty,' firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House. An hour after the attack, Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the order. 'prepare to repel borders.' But the Israelis, probably fearful of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. 'Liberty' was left shattered but still defiant, her flag flying. The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II. Less than an hour after the attack, Israel told Washington its forces had committed a 'tragic error.' Later, Israel claimed it had mistaken 'Liberty' for an ancient Egyptian horse transport. US Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, and Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Thomas Moorer, insisted the Israeli attack was deliberate and designed to sink 'Liberty.' So did three CIA reports; one asserted Israel's Defense Minister, Gen. Moshe Dayan, had personally ordered the attack.

10-12-2002, 04:54 PM	#22
MisterSquishyHalo Apocalyptic Poster Location: seattle, wa, usa Posts: 3,964	I could give a fuck about palestine right now. If you want to blow shit up, if you want to make a statement, go after military targets or govt targets, dont go after kids. Thats just wrong plain and simple. and there is NO way you can justify it.

10-12-2002, 04:58 PM	#24
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	USS Liberty (thing) by lemur (25 min) (print) ? 1 C! Tue May 21 2002 at 11:00:08 During the Six Day War between Israel and her neighbours, there was an incident involving the spy ship USS Liberty which took place in the Gulf of Akaba, between Egypt and Israel. On June 8th, 1967, Israeli torpedo boats and aircraft attacked this intelligence ship for 75 minutes, killing 34 Americans and wounding 171. Despite reports from Spain, Lebanon and Germany that Israeli pilots were aware that this ship was American, yet the attack went ahead; the United States has been extremely unwilling to investigate this attack, describing it as a "tragic case of misidentification". There is ongoing controversy over the issue. According to Israeli sources, the Israeli High command received reports that El Arish was being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel. A few days prior to this, the US had announced in the UN that they had no naval vessels within 100 miles of the vicinity. However, due to some communication errors, the USS Liberty arrived in the area, and was not able to inform the Israelis. It was then assumed by the Israelis that this ship was that which had been shelling El Arish. It was therefore attacked with ferocity, due to the standing command to attack any unidentified vessels in the area (it has been suggested that, as the weather was calm, the US flags were drooped and indiscernable). Once aware of the "greivous error", the Israelis provided aid to the Americans to save the crew and salvage the ship. The US Government has invariably supported the official Israeli view, although there have been dissenters such as former Secretary of State Dean Rusk. Among the American press there have also been suggestions of the attack being a deliberate one. These suggestions are reinforced by the reports by Israeli pilots that they knew the ship was American, not the Egyptian El-Qusier, as it had been suggested to be. The reluctance of the US Government to have any kind of investigation into the matter complicates things further. Recently, some journalists have suggested a conspiracy theory: that the US government requested the Israeli attack in order that the US government could claim it as an Egyptian attack, therefore the US could attack Egypt, removing President Gamel Abdel Nasser - a 'communist' in US eyes. There is considerable contextual support for this idea, but it is yet to be proven. The survivors of the attack continue to lobby for a proper investigation into the incident, as they feel betrayed by their government for the lack of such action. This is yet to be achieved. Many critics suggest that the US government does not want to lose support of the US Jewish lobby, nor expose her own treachery. www.us-israel.org www.ussliberty.org www.washington-report.org

10-12-2002, 05:01 PM	#25
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	and to finish off the presentation of different views here's the israeli account of the story: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/liberty.html god bless the history channel for being so unbiased

10-12-2002, 05:06 PM	#27
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	http://pnews.org/art/1ussliberty.shtml