The Borg on "Enterprise"

Ugly · 05-09-2003, 07:49 PM

*total 100% no-wonder-I-don't-have-a-broad geek post anyway, but so yeah. . .*

Anyhoo, Enterprise had those loveable huggable Borg drones in an episode that was kind of a pusedo sequel to the Next Gen film First Contact. Far be it from ripping established continuity to shreds, it actually served continunity very well and returned some sense of menace to the Borg who had been throughly pussified on Voyager. No beaming photon torpedoes aboard or crap like that, the Borg actually brutally ripped through the 22nd technology and made it seem like they might assimilate half the Alpha Quadrant in under week. If there's any old school TNG fans out there who last remembered the Borg being effective was "The Best of Both Worlds" when Picard got assimilated, this episode is probably pretty good in making them a scarry and effective villian again. Also, the episode had some of the best direction and music I've seen on episodic TV in a long freakin time.

So, yeah, anyone who has completely lost faith in Star Trek after Nemesis or some lame Enterprise episodes, I'd recomend giving this episode a lookse either when it repeats on UPN stations or if you get Space channel in Canada its on sunday at 8 or so. or just download the episode "Regeneration". pretty cool stuff.

Ok, anyway, back to never admiting I like Star Trek for another four months or so . . . :erm

Debaser · 05-09-2003, 08:00 PM

man every single episode of enterprise to me is just blaahhh. archer is such a boring captain. t'pol is the only reason i keep watching.

Nimrod's Son · 05-09-2003, 08:05 PM

I wouldn't worry about continuity. I bet the last episode involves the Suliban, their time travel and tampering, and makes it so that none of the episodes every really "happened."

Ugly · 05-09-2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
I wouldn't worry about continuity. I bet the last episode involves the Suliban, their time travel and tampering, and makes it so that none of the episodes every really "happened."

yeah, that would make the whole show kinda pointless, though. Still I heard at the end of season and for season 3 they're gonna turn the show into Starblazers / Babylon 5 - Crusade style where Earth is attacked and they have to go find who did it. (too bad they didn't make it the Romulans, though, that would have actually fit in the continuity, but they're making up yet another all-new villian for it)

That being said, Archer is a dull captain, but I like the supporting cast alot more. too bad, when first heart Scott Bakula was on board I thought it would have been alot cooler, but I think characters like Trip, Pholx, T'Pol and Reed have picked up the slack.

Nimrod's Son · 05-09-2003, 08:26 PM

Actually, I hate most of the characters, especially Keiko - I mean Hoshi. Also not a fan of Phlox or Reed - he's a whiny pussy that would have been kicked off Picard's ship, or detained for evaluation by Troi. I like Archer, T'Pol, Trip and Travis. That's about it.

At least they didn't use the Voyager PC casting agent "Ok, we need an Asian, a Native American, a woman captain, one token white guy.. wait, there's not enough black people.. why don't we just break continuity and make the Vulcan black. We can just say he's from South Central Vulcan."

For those who don't know these characters, go here:
http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterpri...ers/index.php3

ZeroDivide · 05-10-2003, 12:09 AM

I watched that episode, hoping it would be a return to the glory days of TNG/DS9. It wasn't.

And they still haven't explained how the Enterprise, with it's shit-tastic technology, managed to blow up a Borg ship from 300 years in the future. They also haven't explained why Picard and whatnot didn't know who the hell the Borg were when Q threw them into the path of the Borg Ship. Sure, Picard might not have known, but I'm sure Data would have remembered something like that.

Ugly · 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by ZeroDivide
I watched that episode, hoping it would be a return to the glory days of TNG/DS9. It wasn't.

And they still haven't explained how the Enterprise, with it's shit-tastic technology, managed to blow up a Borg ship from 300 years in the future. They also haven't explained why Picard and whatnot didn't know who the hell the Borg were when Q threw them into the path of the Borg Ship. Sure, Picard might not have known, but I'm sure Data would have remembered something like that.

(note I'm slightly intoxicated right now so this'll probably be long winded and rambling)

I can take blowing up the Borg ship because it wasn't really a Borg ship, it was an assimilated mish-mash that the Borg were just plowing through of 22nd Century techologly. Enterprise actually barely blew it up, cuz the Borg were regenerating after 10 seconds Archer and Reed beamed aboard. It was a skin-of-the-teeth victory and they just got lucky, that worked for me.

As for the knowledge of the Borg -- the Borg didn't say "We are the Borg" they just said "You will be assimilated" (which is always cool to hear) and the Borg have always been rumor and myth until Q threw the ENT-D out to the Delta Quadrant. Cochrene was shooting his mouth off about it at a graduation ceremony. The Hansens (Seven of Nine's parents) went after the Borg because they heard rumors about them, leading to thier assimilation. In "Generations" the El-Aurians (Gunians' people) at the beginning of the movie were refuges fleeing a society that had been wiped out by the Borg. It makes sense the Borg were rumor but not offically known. Besides, I think Starfleet would not make the incident publicly known, they would bury it up. (truthfully I thought the episode would have been really cool if it had ended with the formation of Section 31 to keep it serect) I think it worked really well in establishing continuity and made everything fit together (more along the lines of Voyager and the Hansens, not so much Data, but still I think the whole thing would have been super-highly classified so he wouldn't have known anyway)

Anyway, next weeks is gonna be all about Zephram Cochrene, I think, so that might fudge up continuity a bit more or work really well, depending on how you view they've been handling it on the show.

I agree the episode really didn't have a brain at all, and it didn't add anything new to the Borg in how they work. And it wasn't a return to TNG/DS9 glory days. But I thought it was just done with a *great* sense of style. The Borg really had a sense of menace and edge that you hadn't seen since First Contact, really. I still say the direction and espically the music was some of the best stuff I've seen on episodic TV in a long time. 'sides, I thought the last line of the episode was just too cool considering what happened afterwards. To me this is what Enterprise *should* be, a prequel series expanding upon what we've seen before and fleshing it out. Too bad it *rarely* does that, if ever.

Cactuar · 05-10-2003, 10:25 PM

NON NONMO

they shouldn't have been on there

enterprise sux

05-09-2003, 07:49 PM	#1
Ugly Immortal Location: Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed Posts: 21,249	The Borg on "Enterprise" total 100% no-wonder-I-don't-have-a-broad geek post anyway, but so yeah. . . Anyhoo, Enterprise had those loveable huggable Borg drones in an episode that was kind of a pusedo sequel to the Next Gen film First Contact. Far be it from ripping established continuity to shreds, it actually served continunity very well and returned some sense of menace to the Borg who had been throughly pussified on Voyager. No beaming photon torpedoes aboard or crap like that, the Borg actually brutally ripped through the 22nd technology and made it seem like they might assimilate half the Alpha Quadrant in under week. If there's any old school TNG fans out there who last remembered the Borg being effective was "The Best of Both Worlds" when Picard got assimilated, this episode is probably pretty good in making them a scarry and effective villian again. Also, the episode had some of the best direction and music I've seen on episodic TV in a long freakin time. So, yeah, anyone who has completely lost faith in Star Trek after Nemesis or some lame Enterprise episodes, I'd recomend giving this episode a lookse either when it repeats on UPN stations or if you get Space channel in Canada its on sunday at 8 or so. or just download the episode "Regeneration". pretty cool stuff. Ok, anyway, back to never admiting I like Star Trek for another four months or so . . . :erm __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-09-2003, 08:00 PM	#2
Debaser ghost Location: @SactoMacto Posts: 12,201	man every single episode of enterprise to me is just blaahhh. archer is such a boring captain. t'pol is the only reason i keep watching.

05-09-2003, 08:05 PM	#3
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	I wouldn't worry about continuity. I bet the last episode involves the Suliban, their time travel and tampering, and makes it so that none of the episodes every really "happened."

05-09-2003, 08:26 PM	#5
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	Actually, I hate most of the characters, especially Keiko - I mean Hoshi. Also not a fan of Phlox or Reed - he's a whiny pussy that would have been kicked off Picard's ship, or detained for evaluation by Troi. I like Archer, T'Pol, Trip and Travis. That's about it. At least they didn't use the Voyager PC casting agent "Ok, we need an Asian, a Native American, a woman captain, one token white guy.. wait, there's not enough black people.. why don't we just break continuity and make the Vulcan black. We can just say he's from South Central Vulcan." For those who don't know these characters, go here: http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterpri...ers/index.php3

05-10-2003, 12:09 AM	#6
ZeroDivide Pledge Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Posts: 162	I watched that episode, hoping it would be a return to the glory days of TNG/DS9. It wasn't. And they still haven't explained how the Enterprise, with it's shit-tastic technology, managed to blow up a Borg ship from 300 years in the future. They also haven't explained why Picard and whatnot didn't know who the hell the Borg were when Q threw them into the path of the Borg Ship. Sure, Picard might not have known, but I'm sure Data would have remembered something like that.

05-10-2003, 10:25 PM	#8
Cactuar Apocalyptic Poster Location: ur pants lol Posts: 2,915	NON NONMO they shouldn't have been on there enterprise sux