Dems: who's got your vote for the primaries?

Random Female · 05-07-2003, 12:05 AM

(2nd time posting this)
It's gotta be Kerry for me.
Lieberman's waaaay too moderate for me (he doesn't even like registering for gun licenses and is allll about censorship)
Gephart's making a mistake running on a one-issue ticket (he seriously doesn't think he's gonna win advocating health care reform??)
and I would love for an afican american woman to win, but she'll never overcome her history.

Ghetto_Squirrel · 05-07-2003, 12:11 AM

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Lieberman's waaaay too moderate for me (he doesn't even like registering for gun licenses and is allll about censorship)

Ugh. The two main parties are already similar enough. Conservative Democrats and Moderate Republicans aren't helping to distinguish the two.

Vulva · 05-07-2003, 12:12 AM

i'm in the green party. nader for me!!!

Random Female · 05-07-2003, 12:16 AM

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i'm in the green party. nader for me!!!

Die.

Vulva · 05-07-2003, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by Random Female
Die.

Ryan|Patrick · 05-07-2003, 12:27 AM

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Die.

you make absolutely no sense. i thought you were a leftist?

mymistake1979 · 05-07-2003, 12:31 AM

If Lieberman or Kerry gets the Dems' nod, I'm voting third party because I won't give a flying fuck about who gets elected.

Anyway, I'm registered independent, but I'd vote for Dean knowing full well it's never going to happen.

Random Female · 05-07-2003, 12:32 AM

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you make absolutely no sense. i thought you were a leftist?

Voting for a 3rd party is wasting a vote. we live in a two-party system, fuckheads. get used to it.

Ryan|Patrick · 05-07-2003, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by Random Female
Voting for a 3rd party is wasting a vote. we live in a two-party system, fuckheads. get used to it.

don't vote for what you believe in! vote for the lesser of two evils!

dumbass. even if it is a relative waste it sheds light on the unhappiness many people feel towards the two options they are presented with. and some people take a moral stand and actually.. get this.. vote for what they believe in.

Random Female · 05-07-2003, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by Ryan|Patrick

don't vote for what you believe in! vote for the lesser of two evils!

dumbass. even if it is a relative waste it sheds light on the unhappiness many people feel towards the two options they are presented with. and some people take a moral stand and actually.. get this.. vote for what they believe in.

how peachy it all seems. nevertheless, if i'm placing a bet on a racing horse, i'm not gonna put my money on a horse that's not in the fucking race just 'cos it's my friend's horse. I vote for the best candidate that has the slightest chance of winning. unless nader switches to th democratic ticket, he will never be president. end of story. I'd rather have a moderate like Joe Liberman be president than the fuckin cowboy that's up there now. And if you value your right to an abortion, you should, too.
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wait. your'e a guy. make that "value your gf's right to an abortion."

mymistake1979 · 05-07-2003, 12:55 AM

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I'd rather have a moderate like Joe Liberman be president than the fuckin cowboy that's up there now. And if you value your right to an abortion, you should, too.

But I value my right to see a movie without having Lieberman's social police telling me what I should or shouldn't watch. If abortion is a vital issue for you, by all means, vote for Lieberman; I, on the other hand, don't see Roe v. Wade getting overturned any time soon and will vote Green before I vote for that ignominy.

Random Female · 05-07-2003, 12:56 AM

anyway, i vote according to what I think is best for the country. while voting for some uber-liberal like Nader might be all wonderful, he will never, ever win- no matter how passionately I punch my card or how hard i advise others to do. yeah, so i'm casting a vote for interest groups. But the fuckin interest groups support, on the whole, the liberal ideals I support moreso than the conservative ones. Go Kerry.

Random Female · 05-07-2003, 12:58 AM

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But I value my right to see a movie without having Lieberman's social police telling me what I should or shouldn't watch. If abortion is a vital issue for you, by all means, vote for Lieberman; I, on the other hand, don't see Roe v. Wade getting overturned any time soon and will vote Green before I vote for that ignominy.

study the court. if the liberals lose one moderate vote, roe could be overturned. If either o'connor or Stevens retire, Bush will appoint the conservative he has in mind ( i forget his name... he is a SUPER conservative mexican -american) that will vote to overturn it. It Can and WILL happen. don't fool yourself.

mymistake1979 · 05-07-2003, 12:59 AM

While I realize these two situations aren't at all comparable, people forget that Ross Perot was actually on the trail to winning at the very least some electoral votes before he derailed his own campaign. And what about William Jennings Bryan? Third parties can have impacts.

Ryan|Patrick · 05-07-2003, 12:59 AM

voting for a politician isn't like betting on a racehorse. there is no ethics involved in horse races.

i value the freedom of choice highly, but not enough to vote for a candidate who will still make laws and undertake policy i highly disagree with rather than risk a second candidate who could threaten that freedom. saying "if you like x, you better vote for the democrat rather than the republican who hates x and will take it away!" is an appeal to force, not an appeal to rational thought.

Random Female · 05-07-2003, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by Ryan|Patrick
is an appeal to force, not an appeal to rational thought.

Christ! This is the american political system, not rational thought. (on the other hand, howver, rational thought would suggest that you take all factors into account and make your decision on practicality rather than idealism)

i saw it happen in 2000, and i don't want it to happen again. i would much prefer it today if gore were president. i don't regret voting for him.

mymistake1979 · 05-07-2003, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by Random Female
study the court. if the liberals lose one moderate vote, roe could be overturned. If either o'connor or Stevens retire, Bush will appoint the conservative he has in mind ( i forget his name... he is a SUPER conservative mexican -american) that will vote to overturn it. It Can and WILL happen. don't fool yourself.

Miguel Estrada is up for a district court position right now.

And it won't happen anyway. The Dems would get a Rep swing vote, 5-4 in favor of Roe v. Wade staying around. If they voted right now I wouldn't be shocked if it were 6-3 in favor.

Random Female · 05-07-2003, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by mymistake1979

Miguel Estrada is up for a district court position right now.

And it won't happen anyway. The Dems would get a Rep swing vote, 5-4 in favor of Roe v. Wade staying around. If they voted right now I wouldn't be shocked if it were 6-3 in favor.

Yet again: study the Court. In the most recent case where they had the opportunity to overturn roe, Planned v. Casey, it was 5-4.

Ryan|Patrick · 05-07-2003, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by Random Female
Christ! This is the american political system, not rational thought. (on the other hand, howver, rational thought would suggest that you take all factors into account and make your decision on practicality rather than idealism)

i was referring to your argument, not the political system.

Lie · 05-07-2003, 01:06 AM

Dems? Damn.

Buzz Burbank · 05-07-2003, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by Random Female

( i forget his name... he is a SUPER conservative mexican -american) that will vote to overturn it.

thanks for the clarification, if you never put mexican american and maybe his actual name we might actually know a little more about this

Mayfuck · 05-07-2003, 01:49 AM

Kerry in 2004.

Actually it'd be nice to know more about the candidates. Too bad that democrat debate was telelvised like at 3 in the morning. Way to go democracy.

Homerpalooza · 05-07-2003, 05:09 AM

If the primaries were today I'd vote for Howard Dean. He's much more of a straight-talker than the others, strongly opposed (and still does) the war in Iraq, and is probably the most liberal Democrat that has any chance at all (though it's definitely still a long shot).

Plus he's the only candidate with a decent weblog (http://deancalltoaction.blogspot.com).

His stand on the issues .

Kerry's also a good choice, though a huge two-face since he's always saying one thing then voting a different way.

05-07-2003, 08:54 AM

If you put a gun to my head, probably John Edwards. Otherwise, I'd rather be shot.

I'll probably just write in "Henry Rollins" when the presidential election rolls around.

BlueStar · 05-07-2003, 08:54 AM

The primaries are still a long way away. A lot can happen between now and then. Right now, the candidates are just trying to seperate themselves from the field. (Gephardt's health care thing is one such seperating maneuvor...he definitely won't be running on that single issue. The candidates need to step forward with specific plans and Gephardt is doing so.) I really like Kerry, but he did not do well in the recent debate in South Carolina. Lieberman is currently the leader of the pack and may, in fact, have the best chance of winning. Depending on how the next year goes, to have a chance to beat Bush, the dem candidate is going to need to be very strong on issues of national security. I've bascially written off Edwards and all the other candidates (Dean, Sharpton, etc.). For me, it is between Gephardt and Kerry (as far as who I will support). But, Lieberman is a very strong candidate.

05-07-2003, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by Random Female
Voting for a 3rd party is wasting a vote. we live in a two-party system, fuckheads. get used to it.

Register Green, Vote Democrat, and fuck the presidential election.

If there are enough registered greens that vote democrat then the Democrats will have no choice than to move left again.

05-07-2003, 12:05 AM	#1
Random Female Apocalyptic Poster Location: white folks' ghetto, San Diego Posts: 2,005	Dems: who's got your vote for the primaries? (2nd time posting this) It's gotta be Kerry for me. Lieberman's waaaay too moderate for me (he doesn't even like registering for gun licenses and is allll about censorship) Gephart's making a mistake running on a one-issue ticket (he seriously doesn't think he's gonna win advocating health care reform??) and I would love for an afican american woman to win, but she'll never overcome her history.

05-07-2003, 08:54 AM	#25
BlueStar Newly independent Location: Some state's capitol building Posts: 7,242	The primaries are still a long way away. A lot can happen between now and then. Right now, the candidates are just trying to seperate themselves from the field. (Gephardt's health care thing is one such seperating maneuvor...he definitely won't be running on that single issue. The candidates need to step forward with specific plans and Gephardt is doing so.) I really like Kerry, but he did not do well in the recent debate in South Carolina. Lieberman is currently the leader of the pack and may, in fact, have the best chance of winning. Depending on how the next year goes, to have a chance to beat Bush, the dem candidate is going to need to be very strong on issues of national security. I've bascially written off Edwards and all the other candidates (Dean, Sharpton, etc.). For me, it is between Gephardt and Kerry (as far as who I will support). But, Lieberman is a very strong candidate. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-07-2003, 12:12 AM	#3
Vulva Apocalyptic Poster Location: Bush Country Posts: 1,952	i'm in the green party. nader for me!!!

05-07-2003, 12:31 AM	#7
mymistake1979 Oblivious Virgin Posts: 28	If Lieberman or Kerry gets the Dems' nod, I'm voting third party because I won't give a flying fuck about who gets elected. Anyway, I'm registered independent, but I'd vote for Dean knowing full well it's never going to happen.

05-07-2003, 12:56 AM	#12
Random Female Apocalyptic Poster Location: white folks' ghetto, San Diego Posts: 2,005	anyway, i vote according to what I think is best for the country. while voting for some uber-liberal like Nader might be all wonderful, he will never, ever win- no matter how passionately I punch my card or how hard i advise others to do. yeah, so i'm casting a vote for interest groups. But the fuckin interest groups support, on the whole, the liberal ideals I support moreso than the conservative ones. Go Kerry.

05-07-2003, 12:59 AM	#14
mymistake1979 Oblivious Virgin Posts: 28	While I realize these two situations aren't at all comparable, people forget that Ross Perot was actually on the trail to winning at the very least some electoral votes before he derailed his own campaign. And what about William Jennings Bryan? Third parties can have impacts.

05-07-2003, 12:59 AM	#15
Ryan\|Patrick Amish Rake Fighter Posts: 18	voting for a politician isn't like betting on a racehorse. there is no ethics involved in horse races. i value the freedom of choice highly, but not enough to vote for a candidate who will still make laws and undertake policy i highly disagree with rather than risk a second candidate who could threaten that freedom. saying "if you like x, you better vote for the democrat rather than the republican who hates x and will take it away!" is an appeal to force, not an appeal to rational thought.

05-07-2003, 01:06 AM	#20
Lie Socialphobic Location: Goin' out West where they'll appreciate me Posts: 10,001	Dems? Damn.

05-07-2003, 01:49 AM	#22
Mayfuck Banned Location: i'm from japan also hollywood Posts: 57,812	Kerry in 2004. Actually it'd be nice to know more about the candidates. Too bad that democrat debate was telelvised like at 3 in the morning. Way to go democracy.

05-07-2003, 05:09 AM	#23
Homerpalooza Pledge Location: san jose, ca Posts: 242	If the primaries were today I'd vote for Howard Dean. He's much more of a straight-talker than the others, strongly opposed (and still does) the war in Iraq, and is probably the most liberal Democrat that has any chance at all (though it's definitely still a long shot). Plus he's the only candidate with a decent weblog (http://deancalltoaction.blogspot.com). His stand on the issues . Kerry's also a good choice, though a huge two-face since he's always saying one thing then voting a different way.

05-07-2003, 08:54 AM	#24
Mr. Rhinoceros Posts: n/a	If you put a gun to my head, probably John Edwards. Otherwise, I'd rather be shot. I'll probably just write in "Henry Rollins" when the presidential election rolls around.