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the figure ive heard is 3 trillion, not 500b
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I'm really not even going to dignify this with a response. The sophomoric understanding of "major combat operations" vs. "protection and reconstruction" on this board is pretty laughable, as if most people think Bush was saying "that's it, we're done, everyone come home."
Bush may be an idiot, but attacking him repeatedly on this issue shows a low level of understanding by the attackers. |
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that speech and the "mission accomplished" photo op really didnt give the impression that things would be worse not better. but i suppose we had accomplished the last of any goals that we would accomplish in iraq, so in that sense it was fitting
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my commander in chief is anything but an "idiot," btw. you need to stop reading the dailykos so much |
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oh, nimrod
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nimrod should take damage control advice from dana perino
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Mission Accomplished is correct technically. The President was referring to the combat operations to defeat the Iraqi Military and more specifically the tour of the war ship where the famous speech was made.
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Just admit that you have a woody for Bush deep down inside. It's so fucking obvious |
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This moment in time was referred to as "the end of major combat operations in Iraq" at the time, when lookin' back now, it was merely just the start of major combat. Iraq Invasion Deux was a cakewalk for US forces, it wasn't until Shiite/Sunni/Al-qaeda insurgents "stepped up to the plate" that serious combat began and continues to this day. The meaning of the "Mission Accomplished" banner can be debated, but one fact that cannot be disputed is that no one callin' the shots in the Administration at the time, from Dubya, Cheyney, Rumsfeld to Rice had any fuckin' idea that insurgents would cause such a fuckin' nightmare.
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everything in the middle east is a fucking nightmare. they had a damn good idea
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Nah, they didn't. At the time, the thought was still that the Iraqis would love us, we had liberated them.
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i guess if you drink enough kool-aid you could find that plausible. the middle east is primarily consisted of people who put millenium-old grudgefucking above all. you dont send kids to die there and blow your nations treasure unless its for logical and concise reason
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Well, Dubya & Co. were "drinkin' that Kool-Aid" back in '03.
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You're a fucking tool who would defend Hitler if he was a member of the GOP, get the fuck off this board.
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Bush Derangement Syndrome:
Where does it come from? What kind of psychological malady creates it? Bush is evil. Bush caused this, Bush caused that. He's the worst President ever. To a reasonable person, this would be laughable, if it weren't so sad. Let's examine it from a clinical standpoint. This behavior is actually a psychological defense mechanism called 'displacement.' You can usually tell that an individual is using displacement by noting that the emotion being displaced is all out of proportion to the reality of the situation. The purpose of displacement is to avoid having to cope with the actual reality. Instead, by using displacement, an individual is able to still experience his or her anger, but it is directed at a less threatening target than the real cause. In this way, the individual does not have to be responsible for the consequences of his/her anger and feels more safe. They don't blame the terrorists; they don't admit that they have to take action against them; their fear is transformed to anger and displaced onto President Bush. If everything is his fault, then the reality of what happened does not have to be faced. They have an intense psychological denial about 9/11. Bush has become the "criminal mastermind", so devious, so evil, that everything he says is a "lie", everything he does is part of a vast global conspiracy. The Bush family has intimate ties to Bin Laden and the Saudis. He is trying to avenge the insult to his father by getting rid of Saddam. He plans world domination etc. etc. The funny part is that he is paradoxically both an evil mastermind, and a total moron. Their displacement doesn't allow them to recognize the cognitive dissonance created by such a position. Such displacement creates a false sense of control in the mind of the liberal. Whatever happens can be explained away by the displacement, so these folks regain control over what is truly a chaotic world. Last edited by Cup O Mercury : 05-03-2008 at 09:13 AM. |
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this morning some bitch on free speech radio news was comparing women suicide bombers to jumping on a grenade to save your friends in a trench
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that's the line of reasoning they share. and that's never going to change, so why waste lives and resources over there when they'll kill eachother regardless? even the shiites are starting to divide into smaller faction and slaughtering eachother. its a culture based on acrimony.
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"Our mission in Iraq is clear. We're hunting down the terrorists. We're helping Iraqis build a free nation that is an ally in the war on terror. We're advancing freedom in the broader Middle East. We are removing a source of violence and instability, and laying the foundation of peace for our children and our grandchildren." That mission was not accomplished in 2003. That's where the problem lies. Sure, major combat operations may have ended, but it's completely misleading for the COMMANDER IN CHIEF of the United States to get aboard an aircraft carrier and declare that our mission in Iraq had been accomplished. In his speech, he did specify that he was referring to Operation Iraqi Freedom, but the symbolism of him standing in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner while American soldiers were still dying in Iraq was very problematic. That and the fact that he perpetuated the whole Iraq = 9/11 thing in his speech. But that's besides the point. |
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So u disagree- don't tell someone to get off the board cause u disagree- Liberal fags like-yourself can't deal wiith the truth. Re-read Cups last Bush comment.
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whether or not the sign was created for the crew on that ship is pretty much besides the point. the broader sentiment expressed in that sign (the war is over!!) was more than evident in bush's rhetoric during that speech and later, and thats what people are really responding to. the sign could very well have never existed and the same criticisms would be just as present. this fundamentally isnt a controversy over some gaffe, some stupid sign, it runs much deeper than that.
the speech announced the "end of major combat operations." to read that for what it literally denotes is pure fantasy, because that wasnt how it was used. whats really important is the connotative meaning, which is that "the big, serious war stuff in iraq is over." mere reconstruction and the like isnt incompatible with this, but a 5 year long, brutal insurgency absolutely is. so the phrase "mission accomplished" is now, due to the weight of the contradiction between that rosy sentiment and the reality of the war, just a symbol for all of the disingenuous media-management and deception by the bush administration with this war, and of the effective absence of a serious post-war plan. the short-sightedness of the bush administration has been one of the most defining features of this war, and all of the above can be referred to with "mission accomplished." that phrase used today is less about that particular sign (which just "branded" the event) than about the political bullshit and incompetance of the bush admin |
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