The radical left

sawdust restaurants · 10-09-2002, 10:32 PM

When the hell is somebody intelligent going to come along and get this movement out of its reactionary ass? It's just as bad as Ari telling the American people they should watch what they're saying. It's getting harder and harder to find legitimate articles against Iraq, the NY Times is spinning all the news to fit themselves, there's this knee-jerk reaction to everything--even in the Nation half the time. Chomsky's present rants are stupid (something I would most certainly not have said five years ago), Michael Moore (dumb fuck) has a best-selling book ...

I'm starting to hate the left almost as much as I hate the right. Anybody want to form a Nihilists' Party?

Tessellation · 10-09-2002, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by sawdust restaurants
Michael Moore (dumb fuck) has a best-selling book ...

"Roger! Roger!". I depise that hypocritical bastard. He makes a film on the dangers of America's gun culture, and yet owns guns.

At least Limbaugh went deaf

Bill O'Reilly=dumb bastard

Kashmyr · 10-09-2002, 10:37 PM

Quite frankly the Nihilist Party scares me a bit.

However, if you want to start an Anarchist Conclave and reset everyone back to ground zero, give me a call.

Kashmyr · 10-09-2002, 10:40 PM

Dude, owning guns doesn't make you a threat. Using those guns in a dangerous manner makes you a threat. I think you could make a perfectly valid argument for the dangers of guns in American society but still own them.

Irrelevant · 10-09-2002, 10:40 PM

the answer is Libertarianism. we hate both sides.

Undone · 10-09-2002, 10:44 PM

I don't know of a solution. I'd rather not associate with any of it and go with what seems right.

Undone · 10-09-2002, 10:45 PM

But not like...right as in Right. Anarchy is dumb too, but I like the sort of reference to Fight Club.

bonsor · 10-09-2002, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by Irrelevant
the answer is Libertarianism. we hate both sides.

sawdust restaurants · 10-09-2002, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by Irrelevant
the answer is Libertarianism. we hate both sides.

Libertarianism is inherently impossible in a country that's already grown far too powerful and large to support it. You lost as soon as Jefferson's arguments for the elastic clause took hold.

Irrelevant · 10-09-2002, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by sawdust restaurants
Libertarianism is inherently impossible in a country that's already grown far too powerful and large to support it. You lost as soon as Jefferson's arguments for the elastic clause took hold.

probably, but it's a lot more fun.

sawdust restaurants · 10-09-2002, 11:02 PM

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probably, but it's a lot more fun.

Yeah, but useless. And when reactionary leftists are screaming about infidelity in their own ranks, they are just making rational, legitimate arguments against war in Iraq--or at least unilateral war in Iraq--that much more difficult.

Samsa · 10-09-2002, 11:10 PM

which is why i stopped thinking of myself as a liberal forever ago and now refer to myself as a liberal democrat.

Irrelevant · 10-09-2002, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by sawdust restaurants
Yeah, but useless. And when reactionary leftists are screaming about infidelity in their own ranks, they are just making rational, legitimate arguments against war in Iraq--or at least unilateral war in Iraq--that much more difficult.

i think some libertarians in government would be far from useless.

it's not like democrats and republicans are doing a good job.

10-10-2002, 12:42 AM

The problem with liberals right now is that they're still too scared to seriously talk about market socialism. They're easily bullied by the right. It's all rather sad. Instead we have the Green Party, a bunch of misfits that are happier whining about things than offering plausable solutions.

Libertarianism/free-market capitalism is the most flawed political ideology since those two Krauts got everyone's panties in a twist.

Irrelevant · 10-10-2002, 12:50 AM

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Libertarianism/free-market capitalism is the most flawed political ideology since those two Krauts got everyone's panties in a twist.

it's only flawed because human nature is flawed. sigh!

Samsa · 10-10-2002, 12:53 AM

um i dunno about libertarianism but i'd have to guess free market capitalism is flawed because the market is flawed.

10-10-2002, 12:58 AM

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it's only flawed because human nature is flawed. sigh!

Same thing is true with Communism. And we all know how that works in application. Stalin, anyone?

The Omega Concern · 10-10-2002, 01:21 AM

from Christopher Hitchens, commenting about Saddam Hussein:

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I am on the side of the Iraqi and Kurdish opponents of this filthy menace. And they are on the side of civil society in a wider conflict, which is the civil war now burning across the Muslim world from Indonesia to Nigeria. The theocratic and absolutist side in this war hopes to win it by exporting it here, which in turn means that we have no expectation of staying out of the war, and no right to be neutral in it.

yup. I agree.

Hitchens just quite The Nation after being there for 20 years because, " (The Nation) is becoming the voice and the echo chamber of those who truly believe that John Ashcroft is a greater menace than Osama bin Laden."

Here's the rest of whats a very strong article. Not too long, maybe 500 words.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../09/MN9534.DTL

Irrelevant · 10-10-2002, 01:24 AM

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Same thing is true with Communism. And we all know how that works in application. Stalin, anyone?

yeah, but they're two different extremes. libertarianism is better because it uses the freedom extreme instead of the extreme of everything being machinated. in my opinion. heheh.

close your font tags.

sawdust restaurants · 10-10-2002, 01:33 AM

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Hitchens just quite The Nation after being there for 20 years because, " (The Nation) is becoming the voice and the echo chamber of those who truly believe that John Ashcroft is a greater menace than Osama bin Laden."

I don't know if I'd go that far. Hitchens just likes being contrary for the sake of being contrary half the time.

But no, Ashcroft is not a greater menace than Osama bin Laden. But he is a serious fucking menace, and people who perpetuate the disgust for the left make others ignore that fact.

10-10-2002, 04:47 AM

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close your font tags.

Is this a threat from a moderator or a threat from Ryan Patrick?

Irrelevant · 10-10-2002, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
Is this a threat from a moderator or a threat from Ryan Patrick?

just me.

10-09-2002, 10:32 PM	#1
sawdust restaurants Fucking Creep Location: On the East Coast Posts: 5,992	The radical left When the hell is somebody intelligent going to come along and get this movement out of its reactionary ass? It's just as bad as Ari telling the American people they should watch what they're saying. It's getting harder and harder to find legitimate articles against Iraq, the NY Times is spinning all the news to fit themselves, there's this knee-jerk reaction to everything--even in the Nation half the time. Chomsky's present rants are stupid (something I would most certainly not have said five years ago), Michael Moore (dumb fuck) has a best-selling book ... I'm starting to hate the left almost as much as I hate the right. Anybody want to form a Nihilists' Party?

10-09-2002, 10:37 PM	#3
Kashmyr Pledge Location: sex Posts: 65	Quite frankly the Nihilist Party scares me a bit. However, if you want to start an Anarchist Conclave and reset everyone back to ground zero, give me a call.

10-09-2002, 10:40 PM	#4
Kashmyr Pledge Location: sex Posts: 65	Dude, owning guns doesn't make you a threat. Using those guns in a dangerous manner makes you a threat. I think you could make a perfectly valid argument for the dangers of guns in American society but still own them.

10-09-2002, 10:40 PM	#5
Irrelevant Minion of Satan Location: kitties Posts: 6,842	the answer is Libertarianism. we hate both sides.

10-09-2002, 10:44 PM	#6
Undone Apocalyptic Poster Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,335	I don't know of a solution. I'd rather not associate with any of it and go with what seems right.

10-09-2002, 10:45 PM	#7
Undone Apocalyptic Poster Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,335	But not like...right as in Right. Anarchy is dumb too, but I like the sort of reference to Fight Club.

10-09-2002, 11:10 PM	#12
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	which is why i stopped thinking of myself as a liberal forever ago and now refer to myself as a liberal democrat.

10-10-2002, 12:42 AM	#14
Mr. Rhinoceros Posts: n/a	The problem with liberals right now is that they're still too scared to seriously talk about market socialism. They're easily bullied by the right. It's all rather sad. Instead we have the Green Party, a bunch of misfits that are happier whining about things than offering plausable solutions. Libertarianism/free-market capitalism is the most flawed political ideology since those two Krauts got everyone's panties in a twist.

10-10-2002, 12:53 AM	#16
Samsa Banned Location: A theater near you Posts: 7,929	um i dunno about libertarianism but i'd have to guess free market capitalism is flawed because the market is flawed.