ROGER CLEMENS IN THE MITCHELL REPORT!!! - Page 5

Trotskilicious · 12-14-2007, 06:13 PM

no i agree with you, i remember reading shit about him about his potential and shit though and when he was in minnesota he batted for low average and 15-20 homers

Trotskilicious · 12-14-2007, 06:15 PM

one more thing before i go, i thought the mitchell report was going to get challenged in court by someone but it doesn't look like it. all the heresay and circumstantial evidence seemed weak and wouldn't hold up in court, but it's almost like they are daring these guys to go to court, get on the stand, and then have the fed go after them when they lie. it's actually fairly genius.

Nimrod's Son · 12-14-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

one more thing before i go, i thought the mitchell report was going to get challenged in court by someone but it doesn't look like it. all the heresay and circumstantial evidence seemed weak and wouldn't hold up in court, but it's almost like they are daring these guys to go to court, get on the stand, and then have the fed go after them when they lie. it's actually fairly genius.

ZRumors are floating that Clemens is going to bring suit

Trotskilicious · 12-14-2007, 06:33 PM

I would hope so, this whole report is libel in a nutshell. Even if the accusations are true I don't think it would be hard to prove libel, would it?

TuralyonW3 · 12-14-2007, 07:07 PM

David Justice went into hyper-defense mode on cowherd today. He says he looked into buying HGH, but backed out because he "doesn't do needles."

TuralyonW3 · 12-14-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

I would hope so, this whole report is libel in a nutshell. Even if the accusations are true I don't think it would be hard to prove libel, would it?

Wilbon brought up a good point today that this public naming situation might be different if the players union had went along with the report in the first place.

Sepiae · 12-14-2007, 07:08 PM

I will admit that it is hard for me to be objective about Ortiz, but the hitting coaches with the Twins did not think he was a power hitter and had him swinging as such. He was also playing on an artificial surface that worsened his knee troubles. You can't drive the ball with a knee problem. He had knee problems this year, and as a result, his power decreased. This was also his first season without Ron Jackson, the hitting coach with the Red Sox, who he credits a lot with helping him fix his swing.

Nimrod's Son · 12-14-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sepiae

I will admit that it is hard for me to be objective about Ortiz, but the hitting coaches with the Twins did not think he was a power hitter and had him swinging as such. He was also playing on an artificial surface that worsened his knee troubles. You can't drive the ball with a knee problem. He had knee problems this year, and as a result, his power decreased. This was also his first season without Ron Jackson, the hitting coach with the Red Sox, who he credits a lot with helping him fix his swing.

I'm not accusing Ortiz - far from it. I'm just saying out of those names mentioned he'd be the one who wouldn't shock me.

If you want to talk Sox who I'd suspect, it would be Schilling, Nixon and Kapler.

Sepiae · 12-14-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

I'm not accusing Ortiz - far from it. I'm just saying out of those names mentioned he'd be the one who wouldn't shock me.

If you want to talk Sox who I'd suspect, it would be Schilling, Nixon and Kapler.

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood.

I agree about Nixon, though it's hard. He's been one of my favorites and seems like such a nice guy, but even nice guys make bad decisions.

Nimrod's Son · 12-14-2007, 07:37 PM

I bet Gabe Kapler's asshole is torn up because he shits syringes now

Nate the Grate · 12-15-2007, 10:16 AM

Kapler's been adamant and outspoken about not using steroids for years. He even took a voluntary pee test in 2001 or something when some newspaper or magazine was doing an expose on the drug culture in MLB. The MLBPA was pretty upset at him afterwards. Sure, he could be lying for all these years, but I'd be truly surprised if he was into steroids. I think he's just a jacked dude, and it certainly didn't help his hitting.

As for Ortiz, I'm sick of hearing about his "sudden" development as a power hitter. He's been a power hitter throughout his career, you dolts. Check out his minor league stats if you don't believe me (18 homers in 96, 31 in 97, 30 in 99). Surely you people know that power is usually the last thing developed by hitters, and most hitters don't reach their full power potential until their late 20's and early 30's. His Minnesota numbers were hampered by injuries and lack of consistent playing time.

edit: Nixon you could certainly make a case for, though. Several "steroid-esque" injuries.

Nimrod's Son · 12-15-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate the Grate

Kapler's been adamant and outspoken about not using steroids for years. He even took a voluntary pee test in 2001 or something when some newspaper or magazine was doing an expose on the drug culture in MLB. The MLBPA was pretty upset at him afterwards. Sure, he could be lying for all these years, but I'd be truly surprised if he was into steroids. I think he's just a jacked dude, and it certainly didn't help his hitting.

As for Ortiz, I'm sick of hearing about his "sudden" development as a power hitter. He's been a power hitter throughout his career, you dolts. Check out his minor league stats if you don't believe me (18 homers in 96, 31 in 97, 30 in 99). Surely you people know that power is usually the last thing developed by hitters, and most hitters don't reach their full power potential until their late 20's and early 30's. His Minnesota numbers were hampered by injuries and lack of consistent playing time.

edit: Nixon you could certainly make a case for, though. Several "steroid-esque" injuries.

I don't think anyone was accusing Ortiz. As for Kapler, you know hGH wouldn't have shown up in any drug test, right?

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12-14-2007, 06:13 PM	#121
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	no i agree with you, i remember reading shit about him about his potential and shit though and when he was in minnesota he batted for low average and 15-20 homers

12-14-2007, 06:15 PM	#122
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	one more thing before i go, i thought the mitchell report was going to get challenged in court by someone but it doesn't look like it. all the heresay and circumstantial evidence seemed weak and wouldn't hold up in court, but it's almost like they are daring these guys to go to court, get on the stand, and then have the fed go after them when they lie. it's actually fairly genius.

12-14-2007, 06:33 PM	#124
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	I would hope so, this whole report is libel in a nutshell. Even if the accusations are true I don't think it would be hard to prove libel, would it?

12-14-2007, 07:07 PM	#125
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,567	David Justice went into hyper-defense mode on cowherd today. He says he looked into buying HGH, but backed out because he "doesn't do needles."

12-14-2007, 07:08 PM	#127
Sepiae is a modern day sex camel Location: Boston, baby Posts: 7,662	I will admit that it is hard for me to be objective about Ortiz, but the hitting coaches with the Twins did not think he was a power hitter and had him swinging as such. He was also playing on an artificial surface that worsened his knee troubles. You can't drive the ball with a knee problem. He had knee problems this year, and as a result, his power decreased. This was also his first season without Ron Jackson, the hitting coach with the Red Sox, who he credits a lot with helping him fix his swing.

12-14-2007, 07:37 PM	#130
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	I bet Gabe Kapler's asshole is torn up because he shits syringes now

12-15-2007, 10:16 AM	#131
Nate the Grate Minion of Satan Posts: 6,212	Kapler's been adamant and outspoken about not using steroids for years. He even took a voluntary pee test in 2001 or something when some newspaper or magazine was doing an expose on the drug culture in MLB. The MLBPA was pretty upset at him afterwards. Sure, he could be lying for all these years, but I'd be truly surprised if he was into steroids. I think he's just a jacked dude, and it certainly didn't help his hitting. As for Ortiz, I'm sick of hearing about his "sudden" development as a power hitter. He's been a power hitter throughout his career, you dolts. Check out his minor league stats if you don't believe me (18 homers in 96, 31 in 97, 30 in 99). Surely you people know that power is usually the last thing developed by hitters, and most hitters don't reach their full power potential until their late 20's and early 30's. His Minnesota numbers were hampered by injuries and lack of consistent playing time. edit: Nixon you could certainly make a case for, though. Several "steroid-esque" injuries.