If we took away women's right to vote - Page 2

DeviousJ · 10-06-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor Fox

I'm talking about criminal offenses that would warrant a "criminal record," (hence the proper use of the term"criminal" as it applies to illegal immigrants) not driving infractions or jaywalking. This entails felonies and serious misdemeanors such as seeking illegal residency in the United States and tax evasion.

Oh ok, so they're both misdemeanors whereas murder is a felony, but let's split down a nice line and have the really serious lawbreakers like murderers, rapists, illegal immigrants and pot smokers on one side, and on the other side the people breaking laws that just aren't that important v

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Trotskilicious · 10-07-2007, 12:00 AM

god this is so dumb, why do you fucking respond to these chimpanzees

this whole thread is an embarassment and the people who had legitimate, intelligent responses to supreme idiocy should really use their time more wisely.

jczeroman · 10-07-2007, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghetto_Squirrel

That's certainly the case of the United States and Mexico. With the exception of hard-line free marketeers (jczeroman to the thread?), I don't think most people would dispute that the U.S. is exploiting Mexico and it's labor force in the interests of U.S. business.

Sorry I missed the page.

Yes, the US is exploiting Mexican workers, but it is exploiting them because they are supporting immigration practices that don't allow immigrants to come in and use their full market power of marginal revenue product. We would see immigrant wages (and standard of living) shoot through the roof (and this is a good thing) if they were allowed to come over and work in greater numbers. This has been historically demonstrated when past immigrant groups were allowed to come in with much less restrictions.

But yes, the Unions and Corporations would like to keep Mexican labour cheap and they are using US laws to do it. They are also using the welfare/warfare state to accomplish this as well.

jczeroman · 10-07-2007, 01:20 AM

I may be a hard-line free marketer, but I am not blind to the intervention going on. Nor do I just assume that all business action is ok.

Rockin' Cherub · 10-07-2007, 03:50 PM

don't be silly. you can't possibly mean that last sentence.

mayday · 10-07-2007, 06:11 PM

if you took away.... it would be the greatest transgression of progress in the history of civilized man. a very bad idea. but anyway what's more interesting is, what if we took away men's right to sex?

DeviousJ · 10-07-2007, 06:32 PM

The entire human race would die out, you have some good ideas mayday

mayday · 10-07-2007, 09:09 PM

well the girls could just do it when they want to get pregnant and that's it. you know cut them off after that.

Starla · 10-08-2007, 12:41 AM

Kahlo · 10-08-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mayday

if you took away.... it would be the greatest transgression of progress in the history of civilized man. a very bad idea. but anyway what's more interesting is, what if we took away men's right to sex?

Kahlo · 10-08-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mayday

well the girls could just do it when they want to get pregnant and that's it. you know cut them off after that.

how repressed are you?

jczeroman · 10-08-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin' Cherub

don't be silly. you can't possibly mean that last sentence.

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Originally Posted by jczeroman

They are also using the welfare/warfare state to accomplish this as well.

Army service is sold to Mexican immigrants as a legitimate "career" and welfare services are used to create dependents on the system. This is done regardless of immigration status, but with the immigrants it a) removes them from competitive productive work b) makes them an easy scapegoat for more anti-immigrant legislation.

Rockin' Cherub · 10-08-2007, 04:31 PM

so you are against welfare services

Professor Fox · 10-08-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockin' Cherub

so you are against welfare services

I am. Welfare is a disgrace.

jczeroman · 10-08-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockin' Cherub

so you are against welfare services

My position on welfare has nothing to do with this issue. The point is that welfarism is a means to make immigrants a scapegoat and pass more anti-immigration laws. If you looks at a lot of the basis for anti-immigrant rhetoric and action, it is "they are stealing X." In other words, it's not so much about their interaction with the market as a their "stealing" of limited (re: non-produced, re: doled, re: government) resources.

Kanan Road · 10-08-2007, 08:38 PM

what the hell happened to this thread

Tchocky · 10-08-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

why do you fucking respond to these chimpanzees

Rockin' Cherub · 10-09-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jczeroman

My position on welfare has nothing to do with this issue. The point is that welfarism is a means to make immigrants a scapegoat and pass more anti-immigration laws. If you looks at a lot of the basis for anti-immigrant rhetoric and action, it is "they are stealing X." In other words, it's not so much about their interaction with the market as a their "stealing" of limited (re: non-produced, re: doled, re: government) resources.

i was aware of that. but do you really think it would help the economy if there were no welfare services at all? i guess they have their pros and cons but does this immigration issue actually justify taking them away completely?

and seriously, a thread with a title like this can be used to talk about anything without hesitation

Professor Fox · 10-09-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockin' Cherub

i was aware of that. but do you really think it would help the economy if there were no welfare services at all? i guess they have their pros and cons but does this immigration issue actually justify taking them away completely?

Who is John Galt?

jczeroman · 10-09-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockin' Cherub

...but do you really think it would help the economy if there were no welfare services at all? i guess they have their pros and cons but does this immigration issue actually justify taking them away completely?

Definitely.

To answer your second question, the immigration issue alone is clearly not the sole (or even a major) consideration for abdicating from the philosophy of welfarism. There are plenty of other reasons.

Kahlo · 10-10-2007, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor Fox

Who is John Galt?

A famous dude born in my town

Rockin' Cherub · 10-10-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jczeroman

Definitely.

To answer your second question, the immigration issue alone is clearly not the sole (or even a major) consideration for abdicating from the philosophy of welfarism. There are plenty of other reasons.

such as? (if you care to elaborate)

Rockin' Cherub · 10-11-2007, 07:34 AM

writing a lengthy paragraph i see

jczeroman · 10-11-2007, 12:14 PM

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writing a lengthy paragraph i see

Yes, I decided I'd rather not go into it here. I have too much work to do. Just search my name and welfare - you get like 25 threads.

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Starla ***** Posts: 15,778	wtf?

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Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	god this is so dumb, why do you fucking respond to these chimpanzees this whole thread is an embarassment and the people who had legitimate, intelligent responses to supreme idiocy should really use their time more wisely.

10-07-2007, 01:20 AM	#34
jczeroman Socialphobic Location: In my house. Posts: 14,465	I may be a hard-line free marketer, but I am not blind to the intervention going on. Nor do I just assume that all business action is ok.

10-07-2007, 03:50 PM	#35
Rockin' Cherub Braindead Location: the amazing year 400 million Posts: 18,192	don't be silly. you can't possibly mean that last sentence.

10-07-2007, 06:11 PM	#36
mayday Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,354	if you took away.... it would be the greatest transgression of progress in the history of civilized man. a very bad idea. but anyway what's more interesting is, what if we took away men's right to sex?

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DeviousJ CORNFROST Location: GUREITO DESU YO Posts: 24,891	The entire human race would die out, you have some good ideas mayday

10-07-2007, 09:09 PM	#38
mayday Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,354	well the girls could just do it when they want to get pregnant and that's it. you know cut them off after that.

10-08-2007, 04:31 PM	#43
Rockin' Cherub Braindead Location: the amazing year 400 million Posts: 18,192	so you are against welfare services

10-08-2007, 08:38 PM	#46
Kanan Road Apocalyptic Poster Location: Cloud Number Nine Posts: 1,569	what the hell happened to this thread

10-11-2007, 07:34 AM	#53
Rockin' Cherub Braindead Location: the amazing year 400 million Posts: 18,192	writing a lengthy paragraph i see