jczeroman gets into an argument

[undersco_red]

[Boycott Graceland]

seven minutes of my life, poof, gone

[Mayfuck]

lol@jczeroman

[Mayfuck]

And really if anyone didn't already know that government official wasn't doing anything wrong or unlawful at all. Guy is a fucking nut. Welcome to jczeroman's world.

[null123]

I don't know so can someone please explain what legal standing she has to come on the property without a warrant?

[Mayfuck]

Originally Posted by Charmbag

I don't know so can someone please explain what legal standing she has to come on the property without a warrant?

If you choose to live in a city and county with zoning laws and ordinances, you have to abide by them. I for example couldn't keep a 15 ft high pile of donkey manure in my backyard obv and neighbors can report health insepctors on me. There was probably reasonable suspicion the guy was doing something to violate those ordinances so they had a government public health inspector come over, hence probable cause.

[sleeper]

apparently the guys place got condemned.

i found this hilarious letter he posted:

Ray Kirkus
CALLING ON THE INDIANA MILITIA
Sun Jul 2, 2006 10:17


Mr Flatt,
This is formal notice and request:
I am calling on the Indiana Militia to assist and restore constitutional government in the Laporte County Indiana Courts and within the Sheriff's office. You have seen the video. NOW this kangaroo court moves forward while the previous order is still under appeal and then my jury demand is denied!! These clowns are OUT OF CONTROL AND HAVE RUN AMOK! The property has been ordered vacated by Judge Baldoni based on absolutely "no evidence" and no facts; no water or soil samples and a 5 minute inspection which was ordered unlawfully and still under appeal.all based on a dry rotted 4" pvc pipe that discharges nothing but is simply a drain tile. The appeal fact alone prevents both the court and the health dept from moving forward. However at the last hearing, Baldoni denied me a jury trial and proceeded summarily anyway, then ordered my son out of his home by midnight. Enough is enough, this is a formal call calling on your organization and requesting its assistance to restore the Indiana Constitution and arrest Judge Baldoni for sedition and treason and to arrest Sheriff Arnold for failure in performing his duties while viewing an offence in his presence and doing nothing. Where is your line William, or do you keep redrawing it as these criminals do more and more damage to the people of Indiana? If you are not the one in charge, please forward this email to the ones who are. THIS IS AN SOS and A FORMAL REQUEST OF THE INDIANA MILITIA TO DEFEND THE PEOPLES MR Flatt,
This is formal notice and request:
I am calling on the Indiana Militia to assist and restore constitutional government in the Laporte County Indiana Courts and within the Sheriff's office. You have seen the video. NOW this kangaroo court moves forward while the previous order is still under appeal and then my jury demand is denied!! These clowns are OUT OF CONTROL AND HAVE RUN AMOK! The property has been ordered vacated by Judge Baldoni based on absolutely "no evidence" and no facts; no water or soil samples and a 5 minute inspection which was ordered unlawfully and still under appeal.all based on a dry rotted 4" pvc pipe that discharges nothing but is simply a drain tile. The appeal fact alone prevents both the court and the health dept from moving forward. However at the last hearing, Baldoni denied me a jury trial and proceeded summarily anyway, then ordered my son out of his home by midnight. Enough is enough, this is a formal call calling on your organization and requesting its assistance to restore the Indiana Constitution and arrest Judge Baldoni for sedition and treason and to arrest Sheriff Arnold for failure in performing his duties while viewing an offence in his presence and doing nothing. Where is your line William, or do you keep redrawing it as these criminals do more and more damage to the people of Indiana? If you are not the one in charge, please forward this email to the ones who are. THIS IS AN SOS and A FORMAL REQEUST OF THE INDIANA MILITIA TO DEFEND THE PEOPLES RIGHTS AS SECURED BY THE INDIANA AND FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONS>
IN LIBERTY,
Ray Kirkus

IF we do not hang together on these issues, then we will most assuredly hang seperately.... Ben Franklin

IN LIBERTY,
Ray Kirkus

[sleeper]

i wonder how many of these militia guys are also bush voters and totally ambivalent or in support of things like NSA spying. i just cant look at this and see past the cheesy militancy of these people and how they act like theyre shining knights valiantly fighting for liberty when they stop a health inspector. really a bunch of little boys with a need to feel important

[smurfing]

when the libertarians find something in the constitution that says you can shoot at cops i might be tempted to cross over

[noyen]

america. fuck yeah.

[null123]

Originally Posted by Mayfuck

If you choose to live in a city and county with zoning laws and ordinances, you have to abide by them. I for example couldn't keep a 15 ft high pile of donkey manure in my backyard obv and neighbors can report health insepctors on me. There was probably reasonable suspicion the guy was doing something to violate those ordinances so they had a government public health inspector come over, hence probable cause.

ok but I just find it strange that the sheriff didn't say "that huge pile of shit in your yard is probable cause and gives us the right to enter the property" instead of that bullshit about "what are you so afraid of???" the sheriff and the inspector both looked like deer in the headlights.

edit: I guess that's just cause they're hicks.

[null123]

whoops

[noyen]

i hate pigs.

[TuralyonW3]

MAH PROPERTAH

[Corganist]

I'm pretty sure that in most circumstances the smarmy government official is supposed to go and get a court order in order to go barging into someone's property, even if the property owner acts like a giant asshole.

http://www.movievillains.com/images/peck.jpg

This guy knows what I'm talking about.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Mayfuck

If you choose to live in a city and county with zoning laws and ordinances, you have to abide by them. I for example couldn't keep a 15 ft high pile of donkey manure in my backyard obv and neighbors can report health insepctors on me. There was probably reasonable suspicion the guy was doing something to violate those ordinances so they had a government public health inspector come over, hence probable cause.

Sounds like an open and shut case to get a warrant then, doesn't it? Instead whenever anyone brings up a legal issue she looks to the cop who is responding "duh.. duh.. duh" like most cops who don't understand constitutional issues.s

[Olivier]

Originally Posted by Boycott Graceland

seven minutes of my life, poof, gone

8:58

[Nimrod's Son]

"Nothing to hide" searches, protected by netphorian morons
most of whom think Bush's wiretapping rules are wrong

[Nimrod's Son]

how much you wanna bet if the guy was hiding illegal aliens and the same thing happened that the ACLU and Mayfuck would be defending this guy to his grave?

[Future Boy]

I wouldnt take that bet.

[sleeper]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

"Nothing to hide" searches, protected by netphorian morons
most of whom think Bush's wiretapping rules are wrong

stay out of discussions on politics, boy, youre outclassed here. go call papa jczeroman to discuss things for you

[mistle]

what's he building in there?

[mistle]

someone referenced this in the comments http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/cod.../ar20/ch1.html

"IC 16-20-1-23
Inspection of private property; property in which officer has interest
Sec. 23. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b), the local health officer or the officer's designee may enter upon and inspect private property, at proper times after due notice, in regard to the possible presence, source, and cause of disease. The local health officer or designee may order what is reasonable and necessary for prevention and suppression of disease and in all reasonable and necessary ways protect the public health.
(b) However, a local health officer, or a person acting under the local health officer, shall not inspect property in which the local health officer has any interest, whether real, equitable, or otherwise. Any such inspection or any attempt to make such inspection is grounds for removal as provided for in this article.
(c) This section does not prevent inspection of premises in which a local health officer has an interest if the premises cannot otherwise be inspected. If the premises cannot otherwise be inspected, the county health officer shall inspect the premises personally.
As added by P.L.2-1993, SEC.3."

?

[IWishIWasBlank]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

"Nothing to hide" searches, protected by netphorian morons
most of whom think Bush's wiretapping rules are wrong

We wouldn't need domestic wiretapping if we didn't let so many illegals and questionables with bad rap sheets into the country. It's the fault of security, both in policy and in personnel.

However, I am against domestic wiretapping.

[undersco_red]

this might be pretty old.

but the idea of the NSA copying every single bit of data transferred over the internet to their own computers is both awesome and extremely scary.

[jczeroman]

my hero!

[jczeroman]

Seriously though, it looks like the guy was messing with his septic tank and some e. coli was traced to his property by the health inspector. If he is polluting other people's property than he needs to be prosecuted and inspected. That is more than probable cause to search. Ideally, the way this would be settled is for the wronged parties to file suit against him, but under the current situation, this is the next best thing.

"this is absolutely uncomprehensible"

"this is going straight to bill mahers show"

ahaha

[Future Boy]

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