Dude, what the fuck is wrong with German people!?

[Blaise Bailey Finnegan III]

Seems good ol' Amerikan white-trash tradition has made it's way accross the pond, in more ways than Britney, Skynyrd and bad dental hygeine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6424937.stm


Couple stand by forbidden love

By Tristana Moore
BBC News, Berlin


Patrick Stuebing and Susan Karolewski
Patrick and Susan did not know each other as children.

They share a small flat in an east German tower block on the outskirts of the city. It looks like an ordinary family scene, but Patrick is Susan's brother and they are lovers.

"Many people see it as a crime, but we've done nothing wrong," said Patrick, an unemployed locksmith.

"We are like normal lovers. We want to have a family. Our whole family broke apart when we were younger, and after that happened, Susan and I were brought closer together," he said.

Patrick, who is 30 years old, was adopted and, as a child, he lived in Potsdam.

He did not meet his mother and biological family until he was 23. He travelled to Leipzig with a friend in 2000, determined to make contact with his other relatives.


This law is out of date and it breaches the couple's civil rights
Lawyer Endrik Wilhelm
He met his sister Susan for the first time, and according to the couple, after their mother died, they fell in love.

"When I was younger, I didn't know that I had a brother. I met Patrick and I was so surprised," said Susan, who is 22.

She says she does not feel guilty about their relationship.

"I hope this law will be overturned," Susan said.

"I just want to live with my family, and be left alone by the authorities and by the courts," she went on, in a hardly audible voice.

Click the link for the rest of the story.

[Travis Meeks]

yeah, damn America's bad influences on Germany

[TuralyonW3]

ok if they didn't know it at first, that's one thing, but he they knew they were siblings when they first met so fuck that shit.

[RopeyLopey]

Last time I checked German population consisted of a bit more people than Susan and Patrick

[Travis Meeks]

yeah but when did you check?

[mxzombie]

why didn't he ask "what the fuck is wrong with americans" while clearly acknowledging that they are better known for these kinds of shenanigans

[RopeyLopey]

why didn't he blame Canada

[BinLadensBeard]

Incest and bad teeth is the national pride of the UK and the US has nothing on them.

[smurfing]

Cleopatra had the most powerful men in the world chasing after her and she was born of like the 9th generation of brother & sister incest. the retarded children, deformations, etc are really myth

you could argue incest is socially degenerate, but so is body modification, homosexuality, etc etc.

[yo soy el mejor]

is that true about cleopatra? interesting. :]

[smurfing]

incest was a social norm in that time and place, at least for the royalty. if you tried it today tehre would be a lot of social & psychological baggage. that's the main reason ive refused my sister's advances

[ammy]

we had guppies in our office about two years ago. two of them - male and female.

they mated, and had many many babies, as guppies do.

mommy and daddy died/were moved elsewhere before the kids were big enough to breed.
one or two pairs of kids mated with eachother. again - many babies born. - however, also many undeveloped eggs birthed as well.


these kids have kids and.... no more breeding. it just stopped at the third generation (fourth?) many of the babies had severely bent spines, and died. only one of them is still alive.


moral of the story? let incest get out of control and god says "no"

[yo soy el mejor]

i thought it was because of her ugly face

jk jk

[smurfing]

im going to have to read up on this now... id hate to embarrass myself like in that hiroshima thread

Consensual incest between similar-age brothers and sisters is not uncommon, according to a study by Floyd Martinson, who found that 10-15% of college students had childhood sexual experiences with a brother or sister

O_O


edit - apparently the natural repulsion you feel to hooking up with a sibling is because you were raised with them. non-related kids who are raised with each other feel the same repulsion. arranged marriages where the children have been raised together are notoriously difficult and result in higher infertility

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by ammy

we had guppies in our office about two years ago. two of them - male and female.

they mated, and had many many babies, as guppies do.

mommy and daddy died/were moved elsewhere before the kids were big enough to breed.
one or two pairs of kids mated with eachother. again - many babies born. - however, also many undeveloped eggs birthed as well.


these kids have kids and.... no more breeding. it just stopped at the third generation (fourth?) many of the babies had severely bent spines, and died. only one of them is still alive.


moral of the story? let incest get out of control and god says "no"

More like let incest get out of control and recessive genes and lack of genetic diversity say "no"

[ammy]

well yeah, but i mean, technically i'm going with pure incest here. ... but it seems to me that incest causes more likelihood of issues - isn't that mostly the reason it's considered uncouth/illegal?

[ohnoitsbonnie]

How would I know? Eh, I'm sure there's some religious reasons mixed in there as well

[trev]

Originally Posted by Blaise Bailey Finnegan III

Patrick, who is 30 years old, was adopted and, as a child, he lived in Potsdam.

He did not meet his mother and biological family until he was 23.

when i first read this i thought "oh, well if they aren't blood related, and just grew up as brother and sister, that's sort of ok"

but then i kept reading....

[smurfing]

charles darwin and albert einstein married their first cousins. the increase in the risk of birth defects with first cousins is only from 3-4% to 4-7%. i cant find a figure for siblings

[Blaise Bailey Finnegan III]

What I like most, is their apparent denial that epilepsy, learning difficulties and having "special needs" aren't disabilities of any sort. Oh and the fact that they waited, until their mum died to start getting it on.

[Blaise Bailey Finnegan III]

Originally Posted by mxzombie

why didn't he ask "what the fuck is wrong with americans" while clearly acknowledging that they are better known for these kinds of shenanigans

It was a shameless opportunity to steal a much-loved line from South Park.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by BinLadensBeard

Incest and bad teeth is the national pride of the UK and the US has nothing on them.

Firstly - Socialised health care. We have it and 50 million Americans have no health insurance, and therefore I assume bad teeth.

Secondly - Okay it's true we have inbred reptiles sponging millions of our taxes a year, but it beats having a Texan as president (only just). Saying that Willie Nelson would probably be okay.

Thirdly - What does the UK even have to do with this thread?

Finally - Don't get me wrong, I'm about as nationalist as someone who's not at all nationalist.

[ohnoitsbonnie]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...aughter203.jpg

Look at the kid she's holding. Digusting.

[Luke de Spa]

Originally Posted by smurfing

edit - apparently the natural repulsion you feel to hooking up with a sibling is because you were raised with them. non-related kids who are raised with each other feel the same repulsion. arranged marriages where the children have been raised together are notoriously difficult and result in higher infertility

makes sense from a darwinian perspective.

anyway that doesn't make what these two have done morally wrong. they're not harming each other — there's no family unit to destroy so that's not an argument here, and they didn't meet until they were adults so it's not like there's an imbalance of influence and responsibility in which one has unethically taken advantage of the other (as you would have between a father and a daughter, or a teacher and a student, or a doctor and a patient).

so are they harming a third party? i suppose you could argue that producing offspring in conditions with a higher-than-normal chance of genetic disorders is unethical, but as they point out, what then of people with hereditary genetic conditions or 40+ women and so on? we don't make it illegal for them to reproduce, despite the increased risks. it really is just a double standard based on popular morality.

[smurfing]

there's something to be said for popular morality... the tide is rising... i welcome the day etc

[yo soy el mejor]

yeah just let it go.

i wish i had some cute sister.

[redbull]

Originally Posted by Blaise Bailey Finnegan III

It was a shameless opportunity to steal a much-loved line from South Park.

EDIT:



Firstly - Socialised health care. We have it and 50 million Americans have no health insurance, and therefore I assume bad teeth.

Secondly - Okay it's true we have inbred reptiles sponging millions of our taxes a year, but it beats having a Texan as president (only just). Saying that Willie Nelson would probably be okay.

Thirdly - What does the UK even have to do with this thread?

Finally - Don't get me wrong, I'm about as nationalist as someone who's not at all nationalist.

BINLADENSBEARD IS A TROLL

[Blaise Bailey Finnegan III]

Yes but I felt compelled to reply, due to his sexy avatar.

[Rockin' Cherub]

i don't see a good reason to criminalise incest anyway

[puss in boots]

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor

yeah just let it go.

i wish i had some cute sister.

what your little brother isn't good enough for you?