So what's this about Rex Grossman being worthless?

Eulogy · 12-12-2006, 12:03 AM

He's not looking amazing. But he is definitely looking good enough to help this team win the NFC.

good deal. let's hope this time he can keep it up.

Nimrod's Son · 12-12-2006, 12:24 AM

Grossman is an awful QB

Eulogy · 12-12-2006, 12:32 AM

when he plays well, he's good enough

and who needs a QB when you have Devin Hester.

Trotskilicious · 12-12-2006, 12:50 AM

FUCK YOU

Eulogy · 12-12-2006, 12:51 AM

do you think he's terrible or is there something else behind this

and wtf is up with the defense tonight. man.

AndySlash · 12-12-2006, 02:13 AM

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

Tchocky · 12-12-2006, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AndySlash

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

Nimrod's Son · 12-12-2006, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AndySlash

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

That won't win you a Superbowl

Trotskilicious · 12-12-2006, 02:24 AM

shut up mike

no one is winning a super bowl out of the NFC this year

should they just bench the guy going into the playoffs?

see line one.

TuralyonW3 · 12-12-2006, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AndySlash

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Grossman is an awful QB

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Tchocky · 12-12-2006, 05:45 AM

They shouldn't bench Grossman (his confidence would be so shot that the Bears would have to begin yet ANOTHER search for a franchise QB, and Griese isn't the answer), but don't anyone kid themselves into thinking that the Bears are winning most of their games because of him. They're winning them despite all of his boneheaded INTs and his 1.3 passer rating games. Devin Hester and the Bears D have bailed Grossman out countless times this season.

Still, as the Bucs and Ravens proved with legends Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer, teams with lights-out defenses and solid special teams can get away with starting a crap QB and win a Super Bowl. So yeah...don't bother benching Grossman.

The bottom line is, Grossman at his best wins games himself, at his worst does everything he can to lose the game but still wins somehow. Griese has zero upside...at best he'll play to not lose. Given the Bears' situation, they can afford to make the play for upside with their QB.

Nimrod's Son · 12-12-2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

They shouldn't bench Grossman (his confidence would be so shot that the Bears would have to begin yet ANOTHER search for a franchise QB, and Griese isn't the answer)

Griese is a better short term option. It's clear Grossman isn't the answer in the short of long term. Who cares if you break the confidence of a bad QB?

Tchocky · 12-12-2006, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Griese is a better short term option. It's clear Grossman isn't the answer in the short of long term. Who cares if you break the confidence of a bad QB?

I already answered this question.

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

The bottom line is, Grossman at his best wins games himself, at his worst does everything he can to lose the game but still wins somehow. Griese has zero upside...at best he'll play to not lose. Given the Bears' situation, they can afford to make the play for upside with their QB.

Nimrod's Son · 12-12-2006, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

I already answered this question.

Where is this "upside"?

Oh except when he's upside down on his ass.

Tchocky · 12-12-2006, 06:06 AM

Somehow, I don't see Griese throwing for 275 yards and 4 touchdowns on his best days, like Grossman can when he's on. And though it's solid, the Bears ground game isn't exactly electric this season (they seem to be trying to decide whether or not drafting Cedric Benson was a mistake), which means the heat will be on Griese to carry the team more often than the Bears might like. Griese's a statue in the pocket, needs perfect protection to perform well, is coming off of major knee surgery, and has an average arm at the very best.

He's also a notorious alcoholic.

RenewRevive · 12-12-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

He's not looking amazing. But he is definitely looking good enough to help this team win the NFC.

good deal. let's hope this time he can keep it up.

Granted, he didn't stink and it's arguable whether you can bench the QB in a winning team; not saying they shouldn't, just it almost never happens. The Bears' D, weakened as it is, doesn't seem tough enough to take them all the way. Where is the passing game anyway, not taking Grossman into account? One decent speedster (Berrian), who got away with a blatant Off-pass-Interference call and a solid possession guy in Muhammed.

Also, this was the Rams they beat. They didn't exert much pressure on Grossman, who dodged the bullet with the fumble that wasn't at the end of the first half. The officiating sucked all around, although this was no surprise considering the crew.

Take away the two special teams TDs and the missed extra point and the Rams held them even.

AndySlash · 12-12-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

THEY'RE 11-2 DESPITE REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

Tell that to Lovie.

If any of you thought my post was remotely in favor of Rex Grossman's play you were wrong. Am I the only one that saw Lovie's postgame press conference last week?

Eulogy · 12-12-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AndySlash

Tell that to Lovie.

If any of you thought my post was remotely in favor of Rex Grossman's play you were wrong. Am I the only one that saw Lovie's postgame press conference last week?

no i saw it like 100 times.

And like Tckocky was saying, when Grossman plays well, he's pretty damn good. Everyone seemed to forget about the first five games of the year because of the next seven. Now, normally QBs don't have a slide that lasts that long. But can we maybe wait another week and see if this upswing continues?

The banged up defense is really worrying though. Giving up four TDs to the Rams? ouch.

Eulogy · 12-12-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Where is this "upside"?

Oh except when he's upside down on his ass.

lol you're so clever

neopryn · 12-12-2006, 01:20 PM

Saints are gonna roll their asses in January

Trotskilicious · 12-12-2006, 02:46 PM

lovie's press conference wasn't nearly as good as denny green's after they lost to the bears

THEY WERE EXACTLY WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE! AND WE LET 'EM OFF THE HOOK!

Nimrod's Son · 12-12-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AndySlash

Tell that to Lovie.

If any of you thought my post was remotely in favor of Rex Grossman's play you were wrong. Am I the only one that saw Lovie's postgame press conference last week?

No, I knew exactly what you were saying.

When I see Grossman in the playoffs for the Bears as Lovie's choice because "we go tthere with him" I'm reminded of Grady Little and Pedro Martinez in the 2003 ALCS

Trotskilicious · 12-12-2006, 02:54 PM

i love how brian greise is the new superhero that will play better than rex grossman

there's a reason he has played for like five different teams

Eulogy · 12-12-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i love how brian greise is the new superhero that will play better than rex grossman

there's a reason he has played for like five different teams

exactly. Now, I may be biased because I've been a Rex Grossman fan since he was a Gator....but I truly believe he can develop into a longtime Bears QB. and lord knows they need one. I think the Bears will stick by him even if he does end up fucking this year up. whether or not that's a good thing, i don't really know.

But you know what....the Bears have other problems too. Their run defense hasn't been that great all year. The running game is inconsistent. Jones's numbers seem a bit skewed because of his two runs that went for 50 yards on that one drive. If (when?) the Bears don't make it to the Super Bowl, I really don't think it will be entirely Grossman's fault. His slump is over (hopefully). i think everyone needs to move on.

But the Saints are looking pretty good right now. but a week ago, I said that about the Cowboys. and five weeks ago, everyone was saying that about the Giants. so who knows.

Orenthal James · 12-12-2006, 03:20 PM

this is great because a couple of weeks ago Eulogy called out grossman as being a worthless piece of shit.

you are fucking worthless

Eulogy · 12-12-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Orenthal James

this is great because a couple of weeks ago Eulogy called out grossman as being a worthless piece of shit.

you are fucking worthless

no i didn't. you fucking retard. i have defended him this whole time.

Eulogy · 12-12-2006, 03:42 PM

i said he had been playing rather poorly. but uh, he had been. I was never in favor of even considering benching him. He is fully capable of playing well. and i never said otherwise. i hate when people here put words in my mouth in order for it to be easier to talk shit.

Nimrod's Son · 12-12-2006, 04:08 PM

hopefully they can continue to rely on their special teams for 2 TDs per game in the playoffs

Esty · 12-12-2006, 04:09 PM

As a bears fan, I don't mind saying that we will go nowhere in the playoffs. Its doesn't matter who the qb is.

Trotskilicious · 12-12-2006, 04:09 PM

lol mike shut up

12-12-2006, 12:03 AM	#1
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,361	So what's this about Rex Grossman being worthless? He's not looking amazing. But he is definitely looking good enough to help this team win the NFC. good deal. let's hope this time he can keep it up.

12-12-2006, 12:24 AM	#2
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	Grossman is an awful QB

12-12-2006, 12:32 AM	#3
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,361	when he plays well, he's good enough and who needs a QB when you have Devin Hester.

12-12-2006, 12:50 AM	#4
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	FUCK YOU

12-12-2006, 12:51 AM	#5
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,361	do you think he's terrible or is there something else behind this and wtf is up with the defense tonight. man.

12-12-2006, 02:13 AM	#6
AndySlash Posts: 20,262	THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK. THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK. THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK. THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK. THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK. THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK. THEY'RE 11-2 WITH REX GROSSMAN AS THEIR QUARTERBACK.

12-12-2006, 02:24 AM	#9
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	shut up mike no one is winning a super bowl out of the NFC this year should they just bench the guy going into the playoffs? see line one.

12-12-2006, 05:45 AM	#11
Tchocky Minion of Satan Location: Wher I en nd yu begn Posts: 6,996	They shouldn't bench Grossman (his confidence would be so shot that the Bears would have to begin yet ANOTHER search for a franchise QB, and Griese isn't the answer), but don't anyone kid themselves into thinking that the Bears are winning most of their games because of him. They're winning them despite all of his boneheaded INTs and his 1.3 passer rating games. Devin Hester and the Bears D have bailed Grossman out countless times this season. Still, as the Bucs and Ravens proved with legends Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer, teams with lights-out defenses and solid special teams can get away with starting a crap QB and win a Super Bowl. So yeah...don't bother benching Grossman. The bottom line is, Grossman at his best wins games himself, at his worst does everything he can to lose the game but still wins somehow. Griese has zero upside...at best he'll play to not lose. Given the Bears' situation, they can afford to make the play for upside with their QB.

12-12-2006, 06:06 AM	#15
Tchocky Minion of Satan Location: Wher I en nd yu begn Posts: 6,996	Somehow, I don't see Griese throwing for 275 yards and 4 touchdowns on his best days, like Grossman can when he's on. And though it's solid, the Bears ground game isn't exactly electric this season (they seem to be trying to decide whether or not drafting Cedric Benson was a mistake), which means the heat will be on Griese to carry the team more often than the Bears might like. Griese's a statue in the pocket, needs perfect protection to perform well, is coming off of major knee surgery, and has an average arm at the very best. He's also a notorious alcoholic.

12-12-2006, 01:20 PM	#20
neopryn let's see your penis! Location: i had a few beers, but i'm cool to drive Posts: 31,862	Saints are gonna roll their asses in January

12-12-2006, 02:46 PM	#21
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	lovie's press conference wasn't nearly as good as denny green's after they lost to the bears THEY WERE EXACTLY WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE! AND WE LET 'EM OFF THE HOOK!

12-12-2006, 02:54 PM	#23
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,602	i love how brian greise is the new superhero that will play better than rex grossman there's a reason he has played for like five different teams

12-12-2006, 03:20 PM	#25
Orenthal James Minion of Satan Location: standard hotel accommodation Posts: 9,399	this is great because a couple of weeks ago Eulogy called out grossman as being a worthless piece of shit. you are fucking worthless

12-12-2006, 03:42 PM	#27
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,361	i said he had been playing rather poorly. but uh, he had been. I was never in favor of even considering benching him. He is fully capable of playing well. and i never said otherwise. i hate when people here put words in my mouth in order for it to be easier to talk shit.

12-12-2006, 04:08 PM	#28
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	hopefully they can continue to rely on their special teams for 2 TDs per game in the playoffs

12-12-2006, 04:09 PM	#29
Esty Netphorian of the Decade Location: Waiting in line for his geranium kiss Posts: 15,478	As a bears fan, I don't mind saying that we will go nowhere in the playoffs. Its doesn't matter who the qb is.