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Lie · 07-19-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Corganist

There's a big difference between breaking eggs to make an omelet and breaking them because you don't like chickens.

Right, which is why abortion is fine as long as you're not specifically doing it because you hate the human race.

Corganist · 07-19-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lie

Right, which is why abortion is fine as long as you're not specifically doing it because you hate the human race.

I think the two of us have slightly different interpretations of what "making an omelet" means for the purposes of my analogy.

Fonzie · 07-24-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew_Pakula

They would have to attack Texas then, Houston to be exact.

I can imagine Al-Quaida drawng up plots right now, targetting the netphoria server farm.

08-07-2006, 02:15 AM

It is really??

Nimrod's Son · 08-07-2006, 02:42 AM

awesome first post

NovaFritz · 08-07-2006, 02:52 AM

Isreal is definitely going a bit too far this time.
Why on Earth are they openly inviting conflict with Syria and Iran?
And of course Bush is approaching it through bottom-up diplomacy, like he wanted this to happen all along. If you remember, within a few days the State Department said it was "too late for diplomacy" only to reconsider once Isreal starting targeting Beirut's suburbs way north of Hizbollah stronghold.

If this escalates, this will be another dark time for us ALL.

NovaFritz · 08-07-2006, 02:54 AM

Rice: 'Now we'll see who is for peace'

She knows that Lebanon and Syria are not going to vote for this resolution. Its all a big game, and a bunch of people get killed. What a bunch of bullshit.

Nimrod's Son · 08-07-2006, 02:59 AM

Anyone who didn't think Israel would be the cause of WW III needs to re-evaluate their thinking

jared · 08-07-2006, 03:15 AM

so you blame the puppet rather than the puppeteer

Nimrod's Son · 08-07-2006, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jared

so you blame the puppet rather than the puppeteer

Don't be naive.

Israel is the puppeteer.

phaedrus · 08-08-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Don't be naive.

Israel is the puppeteer.

the simple fact that the US provides annual funding of $2 billion to the IDF tells me that you like to find scapegoats for US warmongering.

snoopy · 08-15-2006, 09:32 PM

This war has the markings of territorial pissing cats.

Nimrod's Son · 08-15-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by phaedrus

the simple fact that the US provides annual funding of $2 billion to the IDF tells me that you like to find scapegoats for US warmongering.

the puppet serves the master

transluscent · 08-16-2006, 12:25 AM

Debaser · 08-16-2006, 06:26 PM

Completely Backfired:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/16/wo...=1&oref=slogin
Hezbollah Leads Work to Rebuild, Gaining Stature
By JOHN KIFNER
Published: August 16, 2006

BEIRUT, Lebanon, Aug. 15 — As stunned Lebanese returned Tuesday over broken roads to shattered apartments in the south, it increasingly seemed that the beneficiary of the destruction was most likely to be Hezbollah.
A major reason — in addition to its hard-won reputation as the only Arab force that fought Israel to a standstill — is that it is already dominating the efforts to rebuild with a torrent of money from oil-rich Iran.

Nehme Y. Tohme, a member of Parliament from the anti-Syrian reform bloc and the country’s minister for the displaced, said he had been told by Hezbollah officials that when the shooting stopped, Iran would provide Hezbollah with an “unlimited budget” for reconstruction.

In his victory speech on Monday night, Hezbollah’s leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, offered money for “decent and suitable furniture” and a year’s rent on a house to any Lebanese who lost his home in the month-long war.

“Completing the victory,” he said, “can come with reconstruction.”

On Tuesday, Israel began to pull many of its reserve troops out of southern Lebanon, and its military chief of staff said all of the soldiers could be back across the border within 10 days. Lebanese soldiers are expected to begin moving in a couple of days, supported by the first of 15,000 foreign troops.

While the Israelis began their withdrawal, hundreds of Hezbollah members spread over dozens of villages across southern Lebanon began cleaning, organizing and surveying damage. Men on bulldozers were busy cutting lanes through giant piles of rubble. Roads blocked with the remnants of buildings are now, just a day after a cease-fire began, fully passable.

In Sreifa, a Hezbollah official said the group would offer an initial $10,000 to residents to help pay for the year of rent, to buy new furniture and to help feed families.

In Taibe, a town of fighting so heavy that large chunks were missing from walls and buildings where they had been sprayed with bullets, the Audi family stood with two Hezbollah volunteers, looking woefully at their windowless, bullet- and shrapnel-torn house.

In Bint Jbail, Hezbollah ambulances — large, new cars with flashing lights on the top — ferried bodies of fighters to graves out of mountains of rubble.

Hezbollah’s reputation as an efficient grass-roots social service network — as opposed to the Lebanese government, regarded by many here as sleek men in suits doing well — was in evidence everywhere. Young men with walkie-talkies and clipboards were in the battered Shiite neighborhoods on the southern edge of Bint Jbail, taking notes on the extent of the damage.

“Hezbollah’s strength,” said Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, a professor at the Lebanese American University here, who has written extensively about the organization, in large part derives from “the gross vacuum left by the state.”

Hezbollah was not, she said, a state within a state, but rather “a state within a nonstate, actually.”

Sheik Nasrallah said in his speech that “the brothers in the towns and villages will turn to those whose homes are badly damaged and help rebuild them.

“Today is the day to keep up our promises,” he said. “All our brothers will be in your service starting tomorrow.”

Some southern towns were so damaged that on Tuesday residents had not yet begun to return. A fighter for the Amal movement, another Shiite militia group, said he had been told that Hezbollah members would begin to catalog damages in his town, Kafr Kila, on the Israeli border.

Hezbollah men also traveled door to door checking on residents and asking them what help they needed.

Although Hezbollah is a Shiite organization, Sheik Nasrallah’s message resounded even with a Sunni Muslim, Ghaleb Jazi, 40, who works at the oil storage plant at Jiyeh, 15 miles south of Beirut. It was bombed by the Israelis and spewed pollution northward into the Mediterranean.

“The government may do some work on bridges and roads, but when it comes to rebuilding houses, Hezbollah will have a big role to play,” he said. “Nasrallah said yesterday he would rebuild, and he will come through.”

Sheik Nasrallah’s speech was interpreted by some as a kind of watershed in Lebanese politics, establishing his group on an equal footing with the official government.

“It was a coup d’état,” said Jad al-Akjaoui, a political analyst aligned with the democratic reform bloc. He was among the organizers of the anti-Syrian demonstrations after the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri two years ago that led to international pressure to rid Lebanon of 15 years of Syrian control.

Rami G. Khouri, a columnist for The Daily Star in Beirut, wrote that Sheik Nasrallah “seemed to take on the veneer of a national leader rather than the head of one group in Lebanon’s rich mosaic of political parties.”

“In tone and content, his remarks seemed more like those of a president or a prime minister should be making while addressing the nation after a terrible month of destruction and human suffering,” Mr. Khouri wrote. “His prominence is one of the important political repercussions of this war.”

Defense Minister Elias Murr said Tuesday that the government would not seek to disarm Hezbollah.

“The army is not going to the south to strip the Hezbollah of its weapons and do the work that Israel did not,” he said, showing just how difficult reining in the militia will most likely be in the coming weeks and months. He added that “the resistance,” meaning Hezbollah, had been cooperating with the government and there was no need to confront it.

Sheik Nasrallah sounded much like a governor responding to a disaster when he said, “So far, the initial count available to us on completely demolished houses exceeds 15,000 residential units.

“We cannot of course wait for the government and its heavy vehicles and machinery because they could be a while,” he said. He also cautioned, “No one should raise prices due to a surge in demand.”

Support for Hezbollah was likely to become stronger, Professor Saad-Ghorayeb said, because of the weakness of the central government.

“Hezbollah has two pillars of support,” she said, “the resistance and the social services. What this war has illustrated is that it is best at both.

Referring to Shiek Nasrallah, she said: “He tells the people, ‘Don’t worry, we’re going to protect you. And we’re going to reconstruct. This has happened before. We will deliver.’ ”

Hassan M. Fattah contributed reporting from Sreifa, Lebanon, for this article, Sabrina Tavernise from Taibe and Robert F. Worth from Jiyeh.

DeviousJ · 08-17-2006, 01:34 PM

Heh. I could see this coming, I didn't know Iran was going to invest so much though. That's gonna annoy a lot of Iranians.

Debaser · 08-17-2006, 02:59 PM

If lebanon were to hold free democratic elections today, hezbollah would gain even more power in the government. Good going, guys!

Corganist · 08-17-2006, 03:59 PM

I think cleaning up the mess that they caused is the least that Hezbollah and Iran could do.

Debaser · 08-17-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Corganist

I think cleaning up the mess that they caused is the least that Hezbollah and Iran could do.

unfortunately i think most lebanese have the perception that israel caused the mess.

Nimrod's Son · 08-17-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Debaser

unfortunately i think most lebanese have the perception that israel caused the mess.

In a lot of ways, they did. Israel seems to handle every situation incredibly poorly

Debaser · 08-17-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

In a lot of ways, they did. Israel seems to handle every situation incredibly poorly

My last post was sarcastic. I agree.

DeviousJ · 08-17-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Corganist

I think cleaning up the mess that they caused is the least that Hezbollah and Iran could do.

Oh Corganist!!!!

Eric Blair · 08-18-2006, 02:50 AM

In a conflict that's been going on since 1947, I don't think that a group founded in 1982 can really be accused of causing this mess.

sppunk · 08-18-2006, 05:21 PM

I still want to know how Hezbollah "lost".

08-16-2006, 12:25 AM	#104
transluscent Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,337	burn

08-07-2006, 02:42 AM	#95
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	awesome first post

08-07-2006, 02:52 AM	#96
NovaFritz Apocalyptic Poster Location: luna Posts: 1,869	Isreal is definitely going a bit too far this time. Why on Earth are they openly inviting conflict with Syria and Iran? And of course Bush is approaching it through bottom-up diplomacy, like he wanted this to happen all along. If you remember, within a few days the State Department said it was "too late for diplomacy" only to reconsider once Isreal starting targeting Beirut's suburbs way north of Hizbollah stronghold. If this escalates, this will be another dark time for us ALL.

08-07-2006, 02:54 AM	#97
NovaFritz Apocalyptic Poster Location: luna Posts: 1,869	Rice: 'Now we'll see who is for peace' She knows that Lebanon and Syria are not going to vote for this resolution. Its all a big game, and a bunch of people get killed. What a bunch of bullshit.

08-07-2006, 02:59 AM	#98
Nimrod's Son Master of Karate and Friendship Location: in your butt Posts: 72,943	Anyone who didn't think Israel would be the cause of WW III needs to re-evaluate their thinking

08-07-2006, 03:15 AM	#99
jared Apocalyptic Poster Location: sacramento, ca, usa Posts: 2,193	so you blame the puppet rather than the puppeteer

08-15-2006, 09:32 PM	#102
snoopy Pledge Posts: 124	This war has the markings of territorial pissing cats.

08-16-2006, 06:26 PM	#105
Debaser ghost Location: @SactoMacto Posts: 12,201	Completely Backfired: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/16/wo...=1&oref=slogin Hezbollah Leads Work to Rebuild, Gaining Stature By JOHN KIFNER Published: August 16, 2006 BEIRUT, Lebanon, Aug. 15 — As stunned Lebanese returned Tuesday over broken roads to shattered apartments in the south, it increasingly seemed that the beneficiary of the destruction was most likely to be Hezbollah. A major reason — in addition to its hard-won reputation as the only Arab force that fought Israel to a standstill — is that it is already dominating the efforts to rebuild with a torrent of money from oil-rich Iran. Nehme Y. Tohme, a member of Parliament from the anti-Syrian reform bloc and the country’s minister for the displaced, said he had been told by Hezbollah officials that when the shooting stopped, Iran would provide Hezbollah with an “unlimited budget” for reconstruction. In his victory speech on Monday night, Hezbollah’s leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, offered money for “decent and suitable furniture” and a year’s rent on a house to any Lebanese who lost his home in the month-long war. “Completing the victory,” he said, “can come with reconstruction.” On Tuesday, Israel began to pull many of its reserve troops out of southern Lebanon, and its military chief of staff said all of the soldiers could be back across the border within 10 days. Lebanese soldiers are expected to begin moving in a couple of days, supported by the first of 15,000 foreign troops. While the Israelis began their withdrawal, hundreds of Hezbollah members spread over dozens of villages across southern Lebanon began cleaning, organizing and surveying damage. Men on bulldozers were busy cutting lanes through giant piles of rubble. Roads blocked with the remnants of buildings are now, just a day after a cease-fire began, fully passable. In Sreifa, a Hezbollah official said the group would offer an initial $10,000 to residents to help pay for the year of rent, to buy new furniture and to help feed families. In Taibe, a town of fighting so heavy that large chunks were missing from walls and buildings where they had been sprayed with bullets, the Audi family stood with two Hezbollah volunteers, looking woefully at their windowless, bullet- and shrapnel-torn house. In Bint Jbail, Hezbollah ambulances — large, new cars with flashing lights on the top — ferried bodies of fighters to graves out of mountains of rubble. Hezbollah’s reputation as an efficient grass-roots social service network — as opposed to the Lebanese government, regarded by many here as sleek men in suits doing well — was in evidence everywhere. Young men with walkie-talkies and clipboards were in the battered Shiite neighborhoods on the southern edge of Bint Jbail, taking notes on the extent of the damage. “Hezbollah’s strength,” said Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, a professor at the Lebanese American University here, who has written extensively about the organization, in large part derives from “the gross vacuum left by the state.” Hezbollah was not, she said, a state within a state, but rather “a state within a nonstate, actually.” Sheik Nasrallah said in his speech that “the brothers in the towns and villages will turn to those whose homes are badly damaged and help rebuild them. “Today is the day to keep up our promises,” he said. “All our brothers will be in your service starting tomorrow.” Some southern towns were so damaged that on Tuesday residents had not yet begun to return. A fighter for the Amal movement, another Shiite militia group, said he had been told that Hezbollah members would begin to catalog damages in his town, Kafr Kila, on the Israeli border. Hezbollah men also traveled door to door checking on residents and asking them what help they needed. Although Hezbollah is a Shiite organization, Sheik Nasrallah’s message resounded even with a Sunni Muslim, Ghaleb Jazi, 40, who works at the oil storage plant at Jiyeh, 15 miles south of Beirut. It was bombed by the Israelis and spewed pollution northward into the Mediterranean. “The government may do some work on bridges and roads, but when it comes to rebuilding houses, Hezbollah will have a big role to play,” he said. “Nasrallah said yesterday he would rebuild, and he will come through.” Sheik Nasrallah’s speech was interpreted by some as a kind of watershed in Lebanese politics, establishing his group on an equal footing with the official government. “It was a coup d’état,” said Jad al-Akjaoui, a political analyst aligned with the democratic reform bloc. He was among the organizers of the anti-Syrian demonstrations after the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri two years ago that led to international pressure to rid Lebanon of 15 years of Syrian control. Rami G. Khouri, a columnist for The Daily Star in Beirut, wrote that Sheik Nasrallah “seemed to take on the veneer of a national leader rather than the head of one group in Lebanon’s rich mosaic of political parties.” “In tone and content, his remarks seemed more like those of a president or a prime minister should be making while addressing the nation after a terrible month of destruction and human suffering,” Mr. Khouri wrote. “His prominence is one of the important political repercussions of this war.” Defense Minister Elias Murr said Tuesday that the government would not seek to disarm Hezbollah. “The army is not going to the south to strip the Hezbollah of its weapons and do the work that Israel did not,” he said, showing just how difficult reining in the militia will most likely be in the coming weeks and months. He added that “the resistance,” meaning Hezbollah, had been cooperating with the government and there was no need to confront it. Sheik Nasrallah sounded much like a governor responding to a disaster when he said, “So far, the initial count available to us on completely demolished houses exceeds 15,000 residential units. “We cannot of course wait for the government and its heavy vehicles and machinery because they could be a while,” he said. He also cautioned, “No one should raise prices due to a surge in demand.” Support for Hezbollah was likely to become stronger, Professor Saad-Ghorayeb said, because of the weakness of the central government. “Hezbollah has two pillars of support,” she said, “the resistance and the social services. What this war has illustrated is that it is best at both. Referring to Shiek Nasrallah, she said: “He tells the people, ‘Don’t worry, we’re going to protect you. And we’re going to reconstruct. This has happened before. We will deliver.’ ” Hassan M. Fattah contributed reporting from Sreifa, Lebanon, for this article, Sabrina Tavernise from Taibe and Robert F. Worth from Jiyeh.

08-17-2006, 01:34 PM	#106
DeviousJ CORNFROST Location: GUREITO DESU YO Posts: 24,891	Heh. I could see this coming, I didn't know Iran was going to invest so much though. That's gonna annoy a lot of Iranians.

08-17-2006, 02:59 PM	#107
Debaser ghost Location: @SactoMacto Posts: 12,201	If lebanon were to hold free democratic elections today, hezbollah would gain even more power in the government. Good going, guys!

08-17-2006, 03:59 PM	#108
Corganist Minion of Satan Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,240	I think cleaning up the mess that they caused is the least that Hezbollah and Iran could do.

08-07-2006, 02:15 AM	#94
Kepe Posts: n/a	It is really??

08-18-2006, 02:50 AM	#113
Eric Blair Apocalyptic Poster Location: Let's hang ourselves immediately! Posts: 2,277	In a conflict that's been going on since 1947, I don't think that a group founded in 1982 can really be accused of causing this mess.

08-18-2006, 05:21 PM	#114
sppunk Netphoria's George Will Location: Fenway Park Posts: 37,125	I still want to know how Hezbollah "lost".