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Old 07-04-2002, 02:02 AM   #1
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LIBERTY, Mo. -- Gov. Bob Holden signed a law Wednesday requiring public schools to recite the Pledge of Allegiance at least once a week.

Will the new law make local schools look at the Pledge of Allegiance differently?

KMBC's Natalie Moultrie reported that just as you're likely to find kids playing kickball on the playground at Shoal Creek Elementary School, you're likely to find patriotic artwork and a respect for the Pledge of Allegiance.

"I feel really good about it. It represents our country and our states," fifth-grader Joel Guilfoyle said.

"It's important especially in a town like Liberty. We're very focused on Independence Day rights and students have an important part to honor our history," said Amy Watkins of the Liberty School District.

Moultrie reported that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance is an everyday ritual at Shoal Creek, but it's not necessarily policy. Missouri's law stating that schools must say the Pledge of Allegiance at least once a week is just affirmation to many here.

"I'm glad to hear of the state's approval. It's important for the kids to say the Pledge," principal Brad Welle said.

But school officials said that they are also sensitive to students who feel differently about the Pledge of Allegiance.

"I know students of other religions who do not say it. But as Americans, you can stand up and still be respectful when saying the Pledge in the morning," teacher Erin Perrigo said.

The legislation goes into effect Aug. 28.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 02:04 AM   #2
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so there you go, it is now mandatory for students to pledge their allegience to a symbol, and to a nation under god.

freedom loses yet again.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 02:04 AM   #3
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Word.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 02:06 AM   #4
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Word.
the item was mentioned for less than 30 seconds on the KC news, which i rarely ever watch. it's amazing i heard about this at all.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 02:09 AM   #5
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just reading that made me feel dirty.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 02:09 AM   #6
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i don't know how this affects Jehovah's Witnesses, who cannot pledge their allegience to America, let alone a symbol.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 02:13 AM   #7
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I pledge allegiance...to Queen Fragg...and her mighty state of hysteria...

 
Old 07-04-2002, 02:27 AM   #8
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boo hoo

 
Old 07-04-2002, 02:36 AM   #9
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Finally something about the pledge that's worth an uproar.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 02:47 AM   #10
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Originally posted by tweedyburd:
Finally something about the pledge that's worth an uproar.
Nah...the whole under God thing was much more worth a debate, not to mention a laugh or three.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 02:58 AM   #11
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cool. you mean like the freedom of religion or the freedom of speech?

More or less. It's amazing how low in regard kids are actually held in this country.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:04 AM   #12
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boo hoo
this kind of nationalism borders on fascism. boo hoo to you too, hitler.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:04 AM   #13
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Nah...the whole under God thing was much more worth a debate, not to mention a laugh or three.
Well this is just an extention of that debate. The difference here, of course, is that this is something that's actually worth investing a lot of energy into opposing.


 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:15 AM   #14
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Eeh. That sucks.

Oh, by the way, in the Rankin County School District in Mississippi, teachers are required to have a plaque in their room that says "In God We Trust". Chew on that one.

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EAT A BAG OF FUCK, HOMOLOVER.
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Old 07-04-2002, 03:17 AM   #15
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this kind of nationalism borders on fascism. boo hoo to you too, hitler.
Aren't you being a tad bit extreme, R.P.?

 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:24 AM   #16
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I don't think fifth graders really give a shit about the Pledge of Allegiance.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:27 AM   #17
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I don't think fifth graders really give a shit about the Pledge of Allegiance.
Some would argue that's the problem.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:50 AM   #18
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this kind of nationalism borders on fascism. boo hoo to you too, hitler.
ok, well when you realize that utopia is impossible let us all know


 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:51 AM   #19
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ok, well when you realize that utopia is impossible let us all know
oh, of course, so we should just "deal with it"!

there's no point in trying to change anything, ever, because it will still be imperfect! shit!

 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:52 AM   #20
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Aren't you being a tad bit extreme, R.P.?
tad bit?

 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:53 AM   #21
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And I'll be damned if Missoura's a state!

 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:54 AM   #22
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Move out, fucker. You are here by choice. Live by the rules, and the laws.

America wont miss you. I promise.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:54 AM   #23
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i don't know how this affects Jehovah's Witnesses, who cannot pledge their allegience to America, let alone a symbol.
the "under God" debate aside, what do you people think about that one? i know Jehovah's Witnesses are pretty minute when compared to the whole of the public school system, but if they were required to pledge allegience, wouldn't that be an intrusion on their religious rights?

 
Old 07-04-2002, 03:58 AM   #24
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Live by the rules, and the laws.
...said the frequent user of illegal drugs.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 04:00 AM   #25
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I haven't touched anything in over nine months, you fucking moron.

Now let's argue valid points. It doesn't seem as though you have any.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 04:04 AM   #26
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I haven't touched anything in over nine months, you fucking moron.
what, you're a big fan of america now? and the drug war? what, did you get pussified?

 
Old 07-04-2002, 04:08 AM   #27
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oh, of course, so we should just "deal with it"!

there's no point in trying to change anything, ever, because it will still be imperfect! shit!

see with leftists they always have something to bitch about and things to change so much that they go for trivial shit like this....

which you do not realize only brings out the people on the extreme right...so now we have extremists on both sides fueding over this stupid bullshit we wont even remember in 6 months

 
Old 07-04-2002, 04:12 AM   #28
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Originally posted by bittertrance:

see with leftists they always have something to bitch about and things to change so much that they go for trivial shit like this....

which you do not realize only brings out the people on the extreme right...so now we have extremists on both sides fueding over this stupid bullshit we wont even remember in 6 months
in this case, 90% of america is apparently the "extreme right."

besides, i'm not a leftist. i just believe in what i think is right, which is that that students should not be legally required to recite a pledge to a symbol. and i'm going to argue for what i believe in. *shrug*

 
Old 07-04-2002, 04:12 AM   #29
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No, I've been a nationalist since I was a young child. If you don't agree with something that you think steps over the bounds of religion and state, leave. You are in this country by choice. America was created with the Christian God in mind, and thought. The Christian God played an integral part in the creation of this country, and that isn't going to change. Not next year, not in ten years. Worship whatever you please, but don't expect a nation to bend over backwards to change history, and everything that it's founding fathers created.

Nice comeback, by the way.

 
Old 07-04-2002, 04:13 AM   #30
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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
if they were required to pledge allegience, wouldn't that be an intrusion on their religious rights?
Perhaps.

But, on a related, if not more extreme note, have you heard the case of the Muslim woman who refuses to have her face photographed for her driver's licence or any other identification card? Instead, she argues, she'll submit a photo that has her face covered, showing only her eyes.

There comes a point when the safety of everyone over-rides things such as religious rights of others. (not that I'm correlating this to your example)


 
 


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