friends who kill themselves

so my friend rachel didnt call me today, cause we were supposed to go get a root beer float today.
so i called her boyfriends house(where she usually is) only to realize that he just found that she took 20 pills of xanax (strong pain medication).
and she's convulsing on the bed.

this fucking sucks, its always the people that you don't suspect that try to kill themselves.

well, he took her to the hospital, and hopefully everything turns out ok.
but it still sucks.

my friend blew his head off. the hospital was not an option.

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when i was a sophmore in high school one of my friends was supposed to come to the opening night of a play that i was in. he didn't show up. cause he had blown his stupid head off. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif
and then a couple years ago a girl that i had known most of my life and at one time was close friends with parked her car and ran a hose in from the exhaust. she choked to death on her vomit. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

people can be so selfish. whenever i find myself close to doing something stupid i always have to stop and think about those two experiences and how they affected me. and then i have to remember that as much as i FEEL alone there are a few people that would probably care if something happened to me.

sorry matt. i hope that you're friend is okay. and you're right - it's always the people that you would never expect.

my friends suicide wasn't selfish. i dont feel like going into the whole story but...

im drunk n' happy and this post is bringin' me down

Suicide solves nothing.

Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Cerberus:
Suicide solves nothing.

Plain and simple.

I'm not advocating suicide but it does end your life and that's the thing you're trying to escape so how is it not solving the problem?

Originally posted by Cerberus:
Suicide solves nothing.

Plain and simple.

so i cave and change MY color and you fucking give it up? you no good s.o.b..

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Originally posted by sickbadthing:
I'm not advocating suicide but it does end your life and that's the thing you're trying to escape so how is it not solving the problem?

I guess, in some sordid way, it does solve the problem...at the expense of anyone who cares about the person. In essense, it creates more problems that it solves.

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Originally posted by funnygeezus:
so i cave and change MY color and you fucking give it up? you no good s.o.b..

You're like a bad cold. I simply cannot shake you!

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Originally posted by Cerberus:
You're like a bad cold. I simply cannot shake you!

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so I'M the disease in this situation? fuck that.

Originally posted by Cerberus:
I guess, in some sordid way, it does solve the problem...at the expense of anyone who cares about the person. In essense, it creates more problems that it solves.

what about nevermind? i think that one case it would solve the problem

Originally posted by bittertrance:

what about nevermind? i think that one case it would solve the problem

Originally posted by Oblivious:
people can be so selfish.

oh please. they were obviously in pain. let them die if they choose. you're selfish for wanting them to live and be there for YOU even though they're tearing themselves up internally on a daily basis.

I find the whole "but it's so selfish" argument rediculous.

It basically amounts to "don't kill yourself because I'll be unhappy" or "Put up with your pain for me".


Suicide is a perfectly valid option. It hurts a lot of people but you can't call it selfishness without being selfish yourself.
You can call it a cop out, cowardice, whatever you like, but not without pushing your morals onto another person who at the very worst was only acting out their own freedom.

Originally posted by Irrelevant:
oh please. they were obviously in pain. let them die if they choose. you're selfish for wanting them to live and be there for YOU even though they're tearing themselves up internally on a daily basis.

The good of many outweighs the good of one.

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but when you know a person well enough to realize they arent as horrible of a person they're telling themselves they are.
sure you can kill yourself if you're basically ruined for the rest of your life, but because "i have no friends and im a fat ugly bitch" is fucking bullshit.

deal with it, everyone else does.

Originally posted by Matt--:
...but because "i have no friends and im a fat ugly bitch" is fucking bullshit.

deal with it, everyone else does.

Well said.

Unless the person is dying from a debilitating disease and has little or no chance of survival, suicide is simply a senseless act of self-indulgence.

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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
oh please. they were obviously in pain. let them die if they choose. you're selfish for wanting them to live and be there for YOU even though they're tearing themselves up internally on a daily basis.

"oh please" my motherfucking ass. how the fuck could a 16 year old kid know what they want for all of eternity? i'm not saying that the idea is wrong for someone that is in that much pain. i think that we all should be allowed that option as an adult. but not a fucking child okay? both of the people that i metioned were under the age of 18. in my opinion what they did was an act of selfish, childish pride. i understand the hurt and the pain that bring someone to that fucking point - i'm there right now. but offing yourself is something that you can never take back. so if you're going to do it you need to make sure that you have exhausted all other means of existence perhaps.

Originally posted by Oblivious:
but offing yourself is something that you can never take back. so if you're going to do it you need to make sure that you have exhausted all other means of existence perhaps.

what's the difference? it's not like they were important. they're only human beings.

Originally posted by Cerberus:
The good of many outweighs the good of one.

yum, utilitarianism.

Originally posted by Cerberus:
Well said.
Unless the person is dying from a debilitating disease and has little or no chance of survival, suicide is simply a senseless act of self-indulgence.

And a personal right. Or do you think your life is owned by the masses except when it is diseased ?


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Originally posted by Matt--:
she took 20 pills of xanax (strong pain medication).

Xanax is an anti-anxiety medication, not a painkiller.


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Originally posted by Mark LeDrew:
Xanax is an anti-anxiety medication, not a painkiller.

oh

Originally posted by slunky_munky:
And a personal right. Or do you think your life is owned by the masses except when it is diseased ?

Way to blow the issue out of context. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif

You don't know just how powerful a life is. People who commit suicide can destroy others emotionally, and may drive them to do the same. And that is something no one should support.

It's funny...the message board seems to be overwhelmingly liberal, and one of the core beliefs of liberalism seems to be the good of the many outweighs the good of the one. Yet, most liberals support suicide.

Pretty hypocritical, if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Irrelevant:
what's the difference? it's not like they were important. they're only human beings.

you're right. you'll never find me defending mankind.

Originally posted by Cerberus:
It's funny...the message board seems to be overwhelmingly liberal, and one of the core beliefs of liberalism seems to be the good of the many outweighs the good of the one. Yet, most liberals support suicide.

Pretty hypocritical, if you ask me.

suicide eliminates those who place unneccessary weight on society in a lot of cases. or something? idunno.

i'm not a "liberal."

Originally posted by Cerberus:
Way to blow the issue out of context. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif

You don't know just how powerful a life is. People who commit suicide can destroy others emotionally, and may drive them to do the same. And that is something no one should support.

It's funny...the message board seems to be overwhelmingly liberal, and one of the core beliefs of liberalism seems to be the good of the many outweighs the good of the one. Yet, most liberals support suicide.

Pretty hypocritical, if you ask me.

Not really. You subscribe to the idea that everybody has their own little pidgeon hole that they climb into every night.

People like you would hold the beleif that I'm a "hypocrit" because on one hand I disagree with the "war" on terrorism (aka being a liberal PC crusader) and on the other I don't believe in decriminalising canabis or I support harsher crimes for criminals.

Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And you can take or leave it
If you choose...

Originally posted by Cerberus:
one of the core beliefs of liberalism seems to be the good of the many outweighs the good of the one.

Uh no...that is not one of the core beliefs of liberalism. But civil liberties is a core belief, and civil liberties means having the right to do with your body as you wish, instead of some authority telling you what you can do with your body.




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Originally posted by slunky_munky:

Not really. You subscribe to the idea that everybody has their own little pidgeon hole that they climb into every night.

People like you would hold the beleif that I'm a "hypocrit" because on one hand I disagree with the "war" on terrorism (aka being a liberal PC crusader) and on the other I don't believe in decriminalising canabis or I support harsher crimes for criminals.

I'm not trying to pidegeonhole anyones beliefs. But there are some issues that you can't straddle, and this is one of them.

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Originally posted by If It Feels Good, Do Me:
having the right to do with your body as you wish.

Bingo