Osama bin Laden releases new video

[sppunk]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ape/index.html

Of course, it's nothing more than PR for al Qaida, but whatever.

[guz]

He could have at least mentioned which candidate he'd prefer in office.

[bonsor]

YOURE A QUEER!

[LoveJones]

I've heard that this will shore up support for the incumbent, but I don't understand why this new tape won't painfully illustrate that we didn't finish the job in Afghanistan before we diverted manpower and resources to Iraq, while outsourcing the job the opium warlords.

Shouldn't the video of Osama being alive and well prove in people's minds that the War on Terror is to date, completely off-track?

[sleeper]

to me the transcripts are always very interesting so ill post it here if anyone wants to check it out


OBL: You American people, my speech to you is the best way to avoid another conflict about the war and its reasons and results. I am telling you security is an important pillar of human life. And free people don't let go of their security contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom. He should tell us why we didn't hit Sweden for instance. Its known that those who hate freedom don't have dignified souls.like the 19 who were blessed. But we fought you because we are free people, we don't sleep on our oppression. We want to regain the freedom of our Muslim nation as you spill our security, we spill your security.

I am so surprised by you. Although we are in the fourth year after the events of sept 11, Bush is still practicing distortion and misleading on you, and obscuring the main reasons and therefore the reasons are still existing to repeat what happened before. I will tell you the reasons behind theses incidents.

I will be honest with you on the moment when the decision was taken to understand. We never thought of hitting the towers. But after we were so fed up, and we saw the oppression of the American Israeli coalition on our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind and the incidents that really touched me directly goes back to 1982 and the following incidents. When the US permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon with the assistance of the 6th fleet. In these hard moments, it occurred to me so many meanings I cant explain but it resulted in a general feeling of rejecting oppression and gave me a hard determination to punish the oppressors. While I was looking at the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it came to my mind to punish the oppressor the same way and destroy towers in the US to get a taste of what they tasted, and quit killing our children and women.

We didn't find difficulty dealing with Bush and his administration due to the similarity of his regime and the regims in our countries. Whish half of them are ruled by military and the other half by sons of kings and presidents and our experience with them is long. Both parties are arrogant and stubborn and the greediness and taking money without right and that similarity appeared during the visits of Bush to the region while people from our side were impressed by the US and hoped that these visits would influence our countries. Here he is being influenced by these regimes, Royal and military. And was feeling jealous they were staying for decades in power stealing the nations finances without anybody overseeing them. So he transferred the oppression of freedom and tyranny to his son and they call it th e Patriot Law to fight terrorism. He was bright in putting his sons as governors in states and he didn't forget to transfer his experience from the rulers of our region to Florida to falsify elections to benefit from it in critical times.

We agreed with Mohamed Atta, god bless him, to execute the whole operation in 20 minutes. Before Bush and his administration would pay attention and we never thought that the high commander of the US armies would leave 50 thousand of his citizens in both towers to face the horrors by themselves when they most needed him because it seemed to distract his attention from listening to the girl telling him about her goat butting was more important than paying attention to airplanes butting the towers which gave us three times the time to execute the operation thank god.

Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your hands. Each state that doenst mess with our security has automatically secured their security.


isnt that wicked fascinating

[Andrew_Pakula]

Interesting transcript.

What is he reffering to when he mentions Sweden? Anyone know?

[sleeper]

Originally posted by Andrew_Pakula
Interesting transcript.

What is he reffering to when he mentions Sweden? Anyone know?

i think it was just a joke in reference to the whole allegation that al queda is attacking the states because they hate freedom. sweden is as free if not more free than the states, so if it were about freedom why didnt al queda attack sweden, i think is what hes saying

[Injektilo]

wow, that was pretty rational. There were no mentions of allah or religion or holy war or jihad or whatever. I mean, he basically just shot down the president's arguements for the war on terror.

and yet.... i haven't heard anyone in the media actually address his points.

[sleeper]

Originally posted by Injektilo
wow, that was pretty rational. There were no mentions of allah or religion or holy war or jihad or whatever. I mean, he basically just shot down the president's arguements for the war on terror.

and yet.... i haven't heard anyone in the media actually address his points.

its funny, they never do. some of the other tape transcrips are even more fascinating. hes actually made some pretty coherent and good points in the past. or at very least, hes made some quite interesting points

[Future Boy]

Maybe he dropped the rhetoric to try and be taken seriously?

Plus this isnt the entire tape, there were segments not released and they wont say what is on those, so you never know.

[tsp gatmog]

Originally posted by sleeper



its funny, they never do. some of the other tape transcrips are even more fascinating. hes actually made some pretty coherent and good points in the past. or at very least, hes made some quite interesting points

do you want the netphoria servers seized by the FBI?

[Quiet CD]

Originally posted by Future Boy
Maybe he dropped the rhetoric to try and be taken seriously?

Plus this isnt the entire tape, there were segments not released and they wont say what is on those, so you never know.

ridiculous to me because they rationalize this censorship by arguing that terrorists will receive his message if it is in forms of accesible media, but im sure those who are planning to terrorist attacks on the united states would have a more reliable source of info and what to do than a publicly addressed video from bin laden on cnn's website... we should know the entirety of it and what he says... damnit... such a fucking joke this whole thing is.... cheney says they will attack us if we vote for kerry, bush says we have it under control, and here is osama looking pretty damn healthy saying that we better get this fuckface out of office, or maybe our whole political system needs to go in the garbage... vote osama 2004 (we wont fuck with you if you dont fuck with us)

[Future Boy]

I believe its the Arab News channel with the actual tape that isnt releasing all of it, Al Jawheteverthehellitscalled.

[BeautifulLoser]

It would have been much funnier if he said "Poland" instead of "Sweden".

[Injektilo]

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser
It would have been much funnier if he said "Poland" instead of "Sweden".

i can't believe how much that whole thing still cracks me up....

[BeautifulLoser]

Originally posted by Injektilo





i can't believe how much that whole thing still cracks me up....

[Firmament]

Just when you think OBL's career has gone down the shitter he comes up with an exuberant parody of a diplomat. Who would of expected him to turn face?

[Corganist]

Originally posted by Firmament
Just when you think OBL's career has gone down the shitter he comes up with an exuberant parody of a diplomat. Who would of expected him to turn face?

And who would have expected anyone to buy it? It seems lot of folks in this thread are talking about "adressing" OBL's points, and "censorship" of his words... because he dialed down the "crazy" from 11 down to 8. Who would have thought that killing thousands of people really is a good way to get your message out there?

[Injektilo]

Originally posted by Corganist

Who would have thought that killing thousands of people really is a good way to get your message out there?

http://www.youforgotpoland.com/crowd.jpg

[Corganist]

Originally posted by Injektilo

Are you kidding?

No one would give two shits about a damn thing OBL has to say if not for the fact that he's a mass murderer. And that was his goal. To try and compare Bush's acts to that is just fucking insane.

[Injektilo]

Originally posted by Corganist

Are you kidding?

No one would give two shits about a damn thing OBL has to say if not for the fact that he's a mass murderer. And that was his goal. To try and compare Bush's acts to that is just fucking insane.

uh, you said "kill thousands of people to make a point"

If i'm not mistaken, well over "thousands" have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.... to make a point that the US wants to stamp out terrorism. Now, whether that's succeeding or doing just the opposite is the next question......

Bin Laden made the point that he attacked the US in part because of the support the US gave Israel back in 1982 when they invaded Lebannon.
I'm certainly not saying that justifies 9/11, not at all.

But....

The point I want someone to address is "why". Why attack the US? why does he still want to attack the US? why do so many other people in one specific region of the world want to attack the US?
Because they hate freedom? I think OBL addressed that point. It was a joke anyway.


There seems to be such a lack of forsight in the war on terror. Where is it gonna be in 10 years? How many countries will be invaded and how many insurgencies will there be?

I mean, given that 15 (or whatever) of the 19 hijackers came from a supposed allied country in the region... can you imagine how the average citizen of any other country might feel about the US? And how they might feel now if they had ambivilant or even positive feelings about the US before the war on terror?

[Injektilo]

ok, what I'm getting at is the fact that you can't bomb something into peace. End a war maybe, but not peace.


all i've seen from the war on terror so far is action that will contribute to more terrorism, more negative feelings towards the US.

The war on terror is a war on an idea, a thing. You can't win unless you get rid of the conditions that create the "demand" for terrorism. I think that's what Bush was getting at when he said he didn't think the war on terror could be won a few months back.

[Future Boy]

[quote]Originally posted by Corganist
[b]

Originally posted by Corganist


And who would have expected anyone to buy it? It seems lot of folks in this thread are talking about "adressing" OBL's points, and "censorship" of his words... because he dialed down the "crazy" from 11 down to 8. Who would have thought that killing thousands of people really is a good way to get your message out there?

It's all bull,I just love his line about not attacking Sweden. Of course that's only cause Bush's whole "they hate our freedom" reasoning he spouts off to his zombies is so incredibly stupid.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...reboy/bush.jpg
"It's the freedom baby, they just dont dig it."

[Corganist]

Well...while we're on the subject of the tape. Here's an interesting take on how the translation commonly reported may have been a little off, making some aspects of the tape a little more sinister and U.S. specific. Don't know how reliable it is, but its interesting. I'd have no problem if the media would talk about this sort of thing (what he says and what it means) as opposed to his motivation and justification for saying it, like some people have said here.

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SA1404


Osama Bin Laden Tape Threatens U.S. States Not to Vote for Bush

By: Yigal Carmon

The tape of Osama bin Laden that was aired on Al-Jazeera on Friday, October 29th *******d a specific threat to "each U.S. state," designed to influence the outcome of the upcoming election against George W. Bush. The U.S. media in general mistranslated the words "ay wilaya" (which means "each U.S. state") to mean a "country" or "nation" other than the U.S., while in fact the threat was directed specifically at each individual U.S. state. This suggests some knowledge by bin Laden of the U.S. electoral college system. In a section of his speech in which he harshly criticized George W. Bush, bin Laden stated: "Any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."

The Islamist website Al-Qal'a explained what this sentence meant: "This message was a warning to every U.S. state separately. When he [Osama Bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy. By this characterization, Sheikh Osama wants to drive a wedge in the American body, to weaken it, and he wants to divide the American people itself between enemies of Islam and the Muslims, and those who fight for us, so that he doesn't treat all American people as if they're the same. This letter will have great implications inside the American society, part of which are connected to the American elections, and part of which are connected to what will come after the elections."

Another interesting aspect of the speech is the fact that while bin Laden made his specific threat to each U.S. state, he also offered an election deal to the American voters, attempting to influence the election by these means rather than influencing it through terrorist attacks. This peace offer is a theme that follows up on his April speech directed to Europe, in which he offered a truce. The Islamist website Al-Islah explains: "Some people ask 'what's new in this tape?' [The answer is that] this tape is the second of its kind, after the previous tape of the Sheikh [Osama bin Laden], in which he offered a truce to the Europeans a few months ago, and it is a completion of this move, and it brings together the complementary elements of politics and religion, political savvy and force, the sword and justice. The Sheikh reminds the West in this tape of the great Islamic civilization and pure Islamic religion, and of Islamic justice…"

Another conspicuous aspect of the tape is the absence of common Islamist themes that are relevant to the month of Ramadan, which for fundamentalists like bin Laden is the month of Jihad and martyrdom. Noticeably absent from the Al-Jazeera tape was his usual appearance with a weapon, and more importantly the absence of references to Jihad, martyrdom, the Koran, the Hadith (Islamic tradition), Crusaders, Jews, and the legacy of the Prophet Muhammad on the duty to wage Jihad against the infidels. For the followers of the Al-Qa'ida ideology, this speech sends a regressive and defeatist message of surrender, as seen in the move from solely using Jihad warfare to a mixed strategy of threats combined with truce offers and election deals.

[BeautifulLoser]

Interesting.

I'm betting Texas is the first to get screwed over if that's true.

Time to move!

[Andrew_Pakula]

Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ape/index.html

"We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah," bin Laden said in the transcript.

As part of the "bleed-until-bankruptcy plan," bin Laden cited a British estimate that it cost al Qaeda about $500,000 to carry out the attacks of September 11, 2001, an amount that he said paled in comparison with the costs incurred by the United States.