call me crazy

[Quiet CD]

It really seems that the Bush administration is really hoping for an incident like the one that occured in Spain before their elections. Fortunately the Spanish people have quite a bit of common sense and decided their previous leaders weren't fit to the benefit of the people of Spain.

I think the Bush administration is already pretty confident in the possibility that they will win the state of New York in the election (which would be huge for them, 30+ electoral votes) because hey thats where the terrorist struck the homeland, GWB was like the unofficial mayor (butt buddy) with Giuliani.

I think they want the gold though, the sweet taste of California is way too tempting, I mean they already have their seed planted (The Governator) and it looks fruitful. So they've already warned us that a terrorist attack before the elections is imminent because the evildoers want us to succomb to terrorism like Spain did. It just seems all too convienient for them.

This is how I see it happening. Mid October (but maybe as early as the 3rd anniversary of 9/11), Los Angeles a place riled with disgusting grime, but still a breeding ground for being liberated, huge population, huge building, large and relatively poorly guarded airport, lots of jet fuel filled airplanes leaving there. Terror strikes the US again. Osama is "caught" (where is he and why aren't we still looking for him!!, maybe cause we already have him) So does america stand weak and impressionable to the current administration (those are the people I call terrorists) or do we wake up and realize there are serious changes that need to be made that will never happen if things continue the way they are. If California votes Republican, thats it, thats the election. Thats if we even get to vote the normal way if another terrorist attack happens because I'm pretty sure there will be martial law if another attack occurs.

I just hope people start reading between the lines more, they tell us lies yet at the same time tell us the truth, its all there, just stop believing the BS.

[Alfredo!]

I don't know if you watch the news, but we are still looking for Osama, even though it's usually only a blurp on the scrolling text. There are Special Forces Units highly concentrated in Afghanistan, and they're constantly looking. Just because it isn't all over the news doesn't mean it's not happening.

[Future Boy]

You're crazy.

[Quiet CD]

Its just surprising that they cant find the most saught after man in the world who is on dialysis for his kidneys. It would also seem to me that catching him should be the priority over getting rid of Saddam and the immeadiate threat he posed to the US homeland with his weapons of mass destruction

[sickbadthing]

Originally posted by Alfredo!
I don't know if you watch the news, but we are still looking for Osama, even though it's usually only a blurp on the scrolling text. There are Special Forces Units highly concentrated in Afghanistan, and they're constantly looking. Just because it isn't all over the news doesn't mean it's not happening.

You're saying you believe the cover up?

[Quiet CD]

Originally posted by Alfredo!
I don't know if you watch the news, but we are still looking for Osama, even though it's usually only a blurp on the scrolling text. There are Special Forces Units highly concentrated in Afghanistan, and they're constantly looking. Just because it isn't all over the news doesn't mean it's not happening.

No I don't watch much news at all because everything I get on my TV is completely biased and typically lies.

I watch Democracy Now! and The Daily Show (who couldn't love Jon Stewart [sp?]) thats about it.

[Alfredo!]

Originally posted by Quiet CD
Its just surprising that they cant find the most saught after man in the world who is on dialysis for his kidneys. It would also seem to me that catching him should be the priority over getting rid of Saddam and the immeadiate threat he posed to the US homeland with his weapons of mass destruction

I'm not sure the Kidney Dialysis machine thing was ever proven, was it? But really, I'm not sure.

And one of my many problems with the Bush adminstration is how it left Afghanistan out in the cold and nearly forgot about bin Laden while going after Saddam. It just doesn't make any sense.

[Quiet CD]

Originally posted by Alfredo!


I'm not sure the Kidney Dialysis machine thing was ever proven, was it? But really, I'm not sure.

And one of my many problems with the Bush adminstration is how it left Afghanistan out in the cold and nearly forgot about bin Laden while going after Saddam. It just doesn't make any sense.

Yeah there were a few doctors reports from what I have read...

Thats what I'm saying it doesn't make sense, its the Chewbacca defense...

I think they got bin Laden and decided to say fuck it to the rest of the country, except for those who produce all those poppy plants.

[Alfredo!]

Originally posted by Quiet CD


No I don't watch much news at all because everything I get on my TV is completely biased and typically lies.

I watch Democracy Now! and The Daily Show (who couldn't love Jon Stewart [sp?]) thats about it.

As much as the news sucks, not everything is lies... it might be blown out of proportion or slightly bent truth, but it's good to watch the news anyway.

I heard a quote a few days ago that I thought was really good. "You'll never get any smarter by only listening to people who share your views. You have to expand your horizons, listen to things you don't agree with, get all sides of the story. Only then will you learn."

Or something to that extent. I may have screwed up a word or two.

[Quiet CD]

I actually do purposely put it on fox news quite, but I would say i analyze, not watch.

[Alfredo!]

Originally posted by Quiet CD
I actually do purposely put it on fox news quite, but I would say i analyze, not watch.

Yeah, same here.

I'll watch Headline News in the morning, because they generally report the news without the craptacular interviews and drawn out analysis in the middle. My problem is that they'll have Britney Spears in the top stories, but leave out genocide in third world countries. But generally, their stories are straightfoward... "this flood happened here" or "there were firefights in Fallujah" or "Rumsfeld said this"...

Sometimes they show clips from the Daily Show and I laugh.

[Quiet CD]

It pisses me off when their anchor people sort of add commentary or opinionated flair on statements that completely are meant to sway the viewer in a certain way.

[Alfredo!]

Originally posted by Quiet CD
It pisses me off when their anchor people sort of add commentary or opinionated flair on statements that completely are meant to sway the viewer in a certain way.

The thing that pisses me off even more than that is when they make a joke. If I wanted comedy, I'd watch Comedy Central. I just want the news, bitch.

[Quiet CD]

bump for the news that come out today

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by Quiet CD
It really seems that the Bush administration is really hoping for an incident like the one that occured in Spain before their elections. Fortunately the Spanish people have quite a bit of common sense and decided their previous leaders weren't fit to the benefit of the people of Spain.

Holy crap.

Do you realize that the current administration didn't have a chance before the terror bombings? You must be clearly misinformed to thank the people of Spain for doing exactly what the terrorists wanted them to.

That's not common sense, that's fear, ignorance, and stupidity.

[severin]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Holy crap.

Do you realize that the current administration didn't have a chance before the terror bombings? You must be clearly misinformed to thank the people of Spain for doing exactly what the terrorists wanted them to.

That's not common sense, that's fear, ignorance, and stupidity.

i wouldn't call a difference of < 5% with an error margin >2.5% in the polls before the spanish elections plus a >80% opposition about the old administrations iraq-policy "no chance".

i'm not saying that the attacks in spain didn't have any effect whatsoever, because it did. but the disastrous information-policy the old administration had right after the attacks (blaming eta, withholding information, putting pressure on newspapers, getting the security council to blame eta) was at least as bad for them as the attacks themselves. plus, can you blame the people of spain? if > 80% of the population are against the iraq war, and people die because your government doesn't listen to it's people, why should this government not be replaced? just because the terrorists goal is the same as the one of the population (in that small part)?

[Quiet CD]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Holy crap.

Do you realize that the current administration didn't have a chance before the terror bombings? You must be clearly misinformed to thank the people of Spain for doing exactly what the terrorists wanted them to.

That's not common sense, that's fear, ignorance, and stupidity.

I think the people of spain did everything but act in fear, ignorance and stupidity... like their previous government wanted them to in the elections... I think the previous govt's plan of inciting fear in their people to vote to re-elect them failed and instead they wanted something else but a regime that allowed terrorists attacks to happen and a regime that allowed the uncalled for invasion of a country.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally posted by severin
people die because your government doesn't listen to it's people, why should this government not be replaced?

That is an incredibly shallow and narrowminded view.

It's not "the government's" fault that terrorists killed civillians, just like it's not Clinton's fault or Bush's fault that terrorists killed civillians in the WTC attacks.

You know whose fault it was? The guys who set of the bombs. I'm tired of everyone shifting blame away from that.

[severin]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
That is an incredibly shallow and narrowminded view.

It's not "the government's" fault that terrorists killed civillians, just like it's not Clinton's fault or Bush's fault that terrorists killed civillians in the WTC attacks.

You know whose fault it was? The guys who set of the bombs. I'm tired of everyone shifting blame away from that.

but it still wouldn't have happened if the government did what it's people wanted, which is what democratically elected governments should do. of course the terrorists planted the bombs and killed the people, but it isn't quite as easy as that. the same with 9/11. of course "the US" were not responsible for it, but the US co-created a situation where terrorist groups felt it was a good idea to fly 2 planes into the wtc.
the terrorists killed, and they are responsible for it, but the whole thing would not have happened had not the western world treated the islamic world like it did

[The Omega Concern]

I think they want the gold though, the sweet taste of California is way too tempting

No way in hell Bush gets California. speaking of hell, have you ever been through Barstow?

[Tambourine]

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Holy crap.

Do you realize that the current administration didn't have a chance before the terror bombings? You must be clearly misinformed to thank the people of Spain for doing exactly what the terrorists wanted them to.

That's not common sense, that's fear, ignorance, and stupidity.

Little history lesson: General Franco, do you know who he is?
Spain are a revolutionary country. Its a fact. They took the power back. you only have to GO THERE to know that. English graffiti says stuff like "X is a slag" "ring this number for sex etc"
In Spain its "revolution" and "preserve spain" etc. I'm weary of this "the terrorists are winning" bullshit. The spanish people won.
For your information they kicked out their leaders because they sent troops in. I was in spain when they were sending troops back and they were damned happy. If you'd been to spain recently you'd know that.

[Quiet CD]

Originally posted by The Omega Concern


No way in hell Bush gets California. speaking of hell, have you ever been through Barstow?

barstow is one of the many buttholes of california
no offense to barstow zealots...

all he needs is NY anways... but i think they want to solidify a higher repub. vote in California... a large scale terrorist attack would do this...

in regards to spain, i think its just as likely that al qaeda terrorists planned this whole thing to get back at spain for supporting the war, to get the people of spain to vote a certain way, even though they already had opposed the war anyway (just their politicians didnt)... as it is likely that their own previous government had this attack planned as a desperate last move to hopefully scare their people into voting to keep the current administration... very similar tactic i think the united states used to manipulate the people of america into "allowing" for their crusades to the east (afghanistan and iraq)....

how come the terror alert is only at yellow yet they are sure there is a major attack on the homeland being planned and will shortly be executed (as they have stated BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!)... its pretty fucking obvious to me, just don't know why it isn't to anyone else.

[Future Boy]

Um, your still crazy.

[Mariner]

Originally posted by Future Boy
your still crazy.

*ahem*

[Future Boy]

It's not like i mispelled "idiot". I dont care enough to fix spelling mistakes.


Edit: Well, not always.

[Mariner]

Originally posted by Future Boy


Edit: Well, not always.

Nicely played.

[Quiet CD]

if you guys remember i posted a thread about some things I thought may happen in the future...

well here are some new articles (coincidentally arriving with the departure of tenet from the cia).

ny times

In discussing the latest threat information, one of the officials said the intelligence was "cryptic," about both timing and location. There is a widespread assumption in the intelligence community that past targets - New York, Washington, the Los Angeles airport - all still have symbolic value to Al Qaeda. There is no specific reference to the coming political conventions, the official said, but that remains an immediate focus of concern.

and my way news

Asked why he had made a public announcement on Thursday, Ridge said that after the attacks in Madrid, Spain, he considered it "very important, on a periodic basis, to frankly just give Americans an update as to where we are and what we are doing."

[Quiet CD]

The Bush administration is under intense pressure to justify its decision Sunday to raise the terrorism-alert level for financial districts in the three locales. Critics have decried the decision as unnecessary and even politically motivated.


Making their case, White House officials said Wednesday that, in addition to the computer files, top policy-makers late last week "received intelligence about a separate, current threat to the U.S.," in the words of one U.S. official.


The information "represented another serious threat to New York," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The White House declined to describe the information further, citing security concerns.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9320619.htm