Mets reach agreement with Glavine

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Three years, $35 million, option for a fourth year. Pending a physical.

As a Mets fan: a) this is really weird and b) I don't like it. They remind me of the early-Nineties Mets; the organization needs to realize it's not just old vets who win championships.

[neopryn]

They'll still suck.

Hey, the Pirates picked up Randall Simon for nobody. Maybe we can win 80 this year.

[skippy]

I'm a little disappointed that the Phillies didn't get Glavine but I know they'll go out and get another solid starter like Moyer or maybe even trade for Colon or Vazquez. Glavine doesn't seem like a good fit with the Mets to me. I figure he's got 2 real decent seasons left in him. Are the Mets playoff bound in the next 2 seasons? Maybe but I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Mark LeDrew
I'm a little disappointed that the Phillies didn't get Glavine

Bah, least you got Jim Thome

[Sepiae]

This is a sad moment in baseball.

He was never my favorite Brave, but it will be like watching a completely different team.

[a fistful of yen]

Originally posted by Mark LeDrew
I'm a little disappointed that the Phillies didn't get Glavine but I know they'll go out and get another solid starter like Moyer or maybe even trade for Colon or Vazquez. Glavine doesn't seem like a good fit with the Mets to me. I figure he's got 2 real decent seasons left in him. Are the Mets playoff bound in the next 2 seasons? Maybe but I don't think so.

They probably won't get Moyer.

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Originally posted by a fistful of yen
They probably won't get Moyer.

And why is that pray tell? Moyer is actually from the Philadelphia area and went to college at nearby St. Joes. He has expressed interest in playing for the Phillies in the past. Seattle has only offered him one year so far. They will have to do better than that to keep him.

[Mood ring]

He could end up being a fish out of water in New York. Glavine looked completely hittable against the Giants in the playoffs. He may be oK in the regular season but, late in the season, the arm's a little fatigued, he can't afford to do it with mirrors against good hitting teams throwing 84mph.

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He's gonna get bombed on, just like in the divisional series against the Giants. You don't get the shit kicked out of you in TWO SEPERATE FUCKING GAMES like that and call a $9 million a year contract offer an "insult".

I also don't expect Maddux to come back. Fuck him and his agent, Satan. Don't offer him arbitration. He is NOT worth $15-20 million a year, even if he pitches 50 games.

I say the Braves dump Castilla, move Chipper back to 3rd and pick up Guerrero and Colon from the Expos.

I think it's really funny that every year it's "the year the Braves won't win their division".

Fragments.

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Originally posted by FearFactory
I say the Braves dump Castilla, move Chipper back to 3rd and pick up Guerrero and Colon from the Expos.

Ah, yes, the Expos. The only sure-fire way to make your team better in the off-season.

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Originally posted by Mark LeDrew


And why is that pray tell? Moyer is actually from the Philadelphia area and went to college at nearby St. Joes. He has expressed interest in playing for the Phillies in the past. Seattle has only offered him one year so far. They will have to do better than that to keep him.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20021207&content_id=183752&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp

2 bad 4 fillys

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Originally posted by a fistful of yen
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20021207&content_id=183752&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp

2 bad 4 fillys

Yeah i saw that. I'm VERY glad that the Phillies did not commit to a 3 year contract for a 40 year old pitcher. Seattle may regret this signing in a year or so. Hopefully the Phils will be able to trade some of thier young talent in the minors for a good starter at the winter meetings.

Originally posted by FearFactory

I also don't expect Maddux to come back. Fuck him and his agent, Satan. Don't offer him arbitration.

Fragments.

Everything else in your post made a lot of sense but you should not sink to the traps of the sportswriter mentality of seeing things. I've yet to hear how Scott Boras is "satan" compared to other agents. He zealously advocates his clients' positions. Not surprisingly he's a lawyer like most of the good agents in sports. It would malpractice for him not to zealously advocate his clients' positions - all 50 of them.

The real Satan is Tom "I'm rich; uhhh, did I mention I'm rich, and uhhh, I bore people to death when I speak" Hicks for signing Boras' clients A-Rod to $25 mil and Chan Ho Spare to $15 mil. Hicks, Steinbrener, Fred Wilpon, Turner, News Corp., these owners are the satans of baseball. Not Scotty Boras. Boras is just a bad-ass agent. The best ever in my op.

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Hahaha, look at the Twins fan bitch about high salaries.

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Originally posted by The Ace of Aces


Everything else in your post made a lot of sense but you should not sink to the traps of the sportswriter mentality of seeing things. I've yet to hear how Scott Boras is "satan" compared to other agents. He zealously advocates his clients' positions. Not surprisingly he's a lawyer like most of the good agents in sports. It would malpractice for him not to zealously advocate his clients' positions - all 50 of them.

The real Satan is Tom "I'm rich; uhhh, did I mention I'm rich, and uhhh, I bore people to death when I speak" Hicks for signing Boras' clients A-Rod to $25 mil and Chan Ho Spare to $15 mil. Hicks, Steinbrener, Fred Wilpon, Turner, News Corp., these owners are the satans of baseball. Not Scotty Boras. Boras is just a bad-ass agent. The best ever in my op.

No, Boras is definately Satan. The owners? They're just stupid and greedy - minor demons at best - and will pay whatever it takes to get the best stars. Then they'll turn around and bitch about the rising cost of salaries and use that as an excuse to raise ticket prices to make the fans, the people that make it possible for these guys to make millions of dollars playing a game, pony up that much more.

Boras takes advantage of the owners greed and stupidity, getting them to agree to higher salaries for the players. That makes him Satan in my book. Yes, he's good at what he does, but that's only because he's dealing with desperate people who would pay anything to keep the Madduxes, the Bonds, the Kevin Brown's (the who? heh). That's not something I'd be proud of. Really, there is no reason for agents. Players should be paid based on how well they perform, not how well they've performed in the past and could possibly perform in the future. Give them base salaries of $250,000 - that's still a damn good sum, especially considering the fact that they're playing a game - and then give them performance bonuses. If they can't hang, well, then maybe they should get another career.

Originally posted by FearFactory



Really, there is no reason for agents. Players should be paid based on how well they perform, not how well they've performed in the past and could possibly perform in the future. Give them base salaries of $250,000 - that's still a damn good sum, especially considering the fact that they're playing a game - and then give them performance bonuses. If they can't hang, well, then maybe they should get another career.

The problems isn't the agents it's the players' unions and more importnatly perhaps the lawyers like Don Fehr who run the player's unions.

Long before there were labor unions in sports (each league's players union formed in the 1960s) there were agents. And the problem of over-paying was not as bad. True, there were few superagents, but in the 40s and 50s there were agent equivalents of Leigh Jewberg and Scott Boras.

The labor unions are the ones responsbile for negotiating the birth of free agency, the insanse mininimum salaries, and they are the ones responsbile for pressuring players to take the highest offer (see Jim Thome) rather than go with their gut.

The purpose of agents is that most athletes enter the pro sports marketplace as young, naive, eager and often ignorant/uneducated people who possess an insane amount of talent. The history of sports owners was to legally rape the players prior the time when agents became more common, which is the 40s. If the agents compensate for the players lack of intelligence then we don't need collective bargaining and we don't need no freaking players' unions.

I guess the labor unions though are to some extent necessary because of the evil owners, so I am probably bashing the unions more than they deserve. But

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Originally posted by The Ace of Aces


The problems isn't the agents it's the players' unions and more importnatly perhaps the lawyers like Don Fehr who run the player's unions.

Long before there were labor unions in sports (each league's players union formed in the 1960s) there were agents. And the problem of over-paying was not as bad. True, there were few superagents, but in the 40s and 50s there were agent equivalents of Leigh Jewberg and Scott Boras.

The labor unions are the ones responsbile for negotiating the birth of free agency, the insanse mininimum salaries, and they are the ones responsbile for pressuring players to take the highest offer (see Jim Thome) rather than go with their gut.

The purpose of agents is that most athletes enter the pro sports marketplace as young, naive, eager and often ignorant/uneducated people who possess an insane amount of talent. The history of sports owners was to legally rape the players prior the time when agents became more common, which is the 40s. If the agents compensate for the players lack of intelligence then we don't need collective bargaining and we don't need no freaking players' unions.

I guess the labor unions though are to some extent necessary because of the evil owners, so I am probably bashing the unions more than they deserve. But

Yes, the unions are also at fault. They see the owners, who are billionaires, with all their money and they say to the members "why can't you have a piece too?!". However, they only point out the fact that everyone should be rich (except for the fans - though at the rate things are going...) and that they should take advantage of the wealth of the owners. The agents, though, get in there and push for it. They do all the dirty work. They want to have a piece, too, so they negotiate and push the salaries higher so that they can get more out of it.

I'm well aware that in the past, the owners were cheap. Charles Comiskey is the first name that comes to mind. I don't feel that the players should "strike back" for the past mistreatments, though. That's like saying white people should be slaves since the blacks were put into slavery years and years ago.

Unions are necessary only to make sure that people aren't being mistreated and are being paid well. Like I said earlier, a base salary of $250,000 is fantastic, not to mention performance clauses. On top of that, they'd be able to get a shitload of money for endorsements. With less money having to come from the owners pockets to pay for the players, they can actually make money with the teams and not have to screw over the fans by raising ticket prices every year PLUS they wouldn't have to sell naming rights to some corporation so that they could cover the cost of some of those soaring salaries. That's win-all. The players make good money to play a game, the owners make money with their team, the fans don't have to pay a week's salary to take the family out to a ballgame. Lower salaries = lower ticket prices = more fans attending the games. Otherwise, "America's Pasttime" will continue to fade away into "America's Past Time", making those throw-back uniforms look more and more ironic every day.

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Originally posted by bittertrance
salary cap salary cap salary cap

It won't happen. Those prima donnas in the MLB see what happened with the NFL's salary cap. I mean, it's great, there's a competitive balance - but those guys are out there destroying each other. If anyone should be making $15 million a year for playing a game, it's definately those guys. They're out there, reducing their lifespans while the baseball players have to come out because they hit their head on the 2nd baseman's knee on a hard slide.