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Originally Posted by vixnix
what is your concept of survival? does it ******* some kind of gradation like I will be in better condition in 20 years if I eat a bit of meat every few days than if I don't...that kind of thing? Or just...if I don't eat meat, I won't die in the next few days.
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for most people, it's not necessary to eat meat in order to live to a ripe old age. that's what i meant.
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Originally Posted by vixnix
if you have regret, stop doing it = non sequitur
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you said this:
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Originally Posted by vixnix
It isn't good for them or us, to mistreat them or not take their life with some sense of regret and gratitude.
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i was referring to that. if i regretted eating meat, and i didn't need to eat it in order to survive, i would consider giving it up.
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gratitude for something taken without being given isn't gratitude - why not?
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because it's not freely given; animals don't give up their lives as part of the beautiful fabric of nature, people outsmart them and kill them.
it's a forced utility transfer. that means the kind of untargeted gratitude we are capable of feeling – e.g., to the universe for meeting the conditions necessary for our existence – is misplaced. it's easy to imagine that kind of sentiment contributing to a false sense of justification – it feels wholesome, virtuous even