Rubin's work (or rather, "presence," which seems to be the more accurate term) on Ogilala made it probably about as good as it could have been. but then he comes 'round & is involved in what coulda been the first "true" Pumpkin album in quite some time and badaBING makes it sound like some robotic reinterpretation with Corgan croaking over the top, with one of the best drummers in the world essentially being over-produced into a glorified drum machine
at least Iha's parts are cool. all 5 of them or whatever
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