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This thing of going from quiet to loud for so long that it's literally become boring for us, it's like 'OK, I have this riff. I'll play it quiet without a distortion box, while I'm singing the verse. And now let's turn on the distortion box and hit the drums harder'. I want to learn how to go in between those things, go back and forth, almost become psychedelic in a way but with alot more structure. It's a really hard thing to do, and I don't know if we're capable of it.
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And boy that's where Billy really shined in the golden era.