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Old 11-08-2016, 11:40 AM   #475
Todd White
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Originally Posted by Ghost of Pmack View Post
Nice! You purchased the original cassette, did you ever transfer or circulate the Catherine demo portion of the tape?
As far as I recall, Billy recorded over the Catherine demo. If it was on the tape, I imagine that we would have transferred it. I just dug up the eBay description and pasted below:

Billy Corgan handwritten demo tape LOOK!
Description:

Guarantee you that NOBODY has ever seen one of these - what this is, is a cassette of rough mixes of "Gish," made while mixing the album, that was given to me by Billy Corgan. These are taken from an off-the-console mix at Smart Studios. The mixes are *slightly* different, but pretty much the finished version. Also, funnily enough, Billy used this tape to record OVER the demos for the band "Catherine," who he was helping to get signed at the time... Best of all, of course, the songs titles are are in Billy's handwriting. You can verify the authenticity of this piece, as well as who in the heck I am, at my webpage: http://www.mikepo.com. Feel free to ask any questions, as well. This is one-of-a-kind. Difficult to price an item like this. A reserve price has been set, but I'll likely be willing to deal even if the reserve isn't met... Winning bidder to prepay, including actual shipping costs.

- Mike Potential



I also found a further description sent to me before I purchased it:

That writing up on the top left is Jerome Brown from Catherine's
handwriting, and those are the song titles that were originally the demo
on this tape. This is the catherine demo that billy was supposed to give
me, but he taped over the entire catherine part with his "gish" tracks.
There's actually a part on here that I blurred out, on the photo - it
was somebody's phone number, and even though nobody lives there anymore,
you know... no point putting a picture of some hapless dude's phone
number up on ebay, for obsessive pumpkins fans to try calling,
anyways...

The difference with the mixes - for one thing, this is before any sort
of "mastering." Most of the mixes are final, but aren't necessarily the
same as they would sound on the cd - just some eq differences, and
instrument mixes. These are, like, how to explain - these are the final
takes and tracks that were used, but in some instances, the levels
weren't quite right yet - some guitars are slightly louder, or lower -
and, frankly, the audio quality isn't necessarily the greatest, to begin
with... Billy rushed a bunch of copies of this off to friends, and it
certainly *sounds* rushed...

So, there's no real instance I can point to, where the tracks are
entirely different, but I do think that a diehard fanatic would listen
and say, "hey, this mix seems different." - The point being, this is
probably cooler for the packaging and just the historical value, more
than for the recordings themselves. It's just, you know, a weird little
chunk of rock history.

And, yes, from '90. From about a month or maybe two before Gish came out
- like, was that, fall? You probably know better than I do. Getting old,
you know...

Thanks for asking!
-Mike Po

 
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